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Old 02-14-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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I find that the "fallaciousness" of an argument is highly correlated with the inability to cogently answer, much less rebut, the "argument".



I expressed no opinion, I asked a question. .



No, the "argument" is whether religious beliefs trump the rights of employees in a secular business environment. As for the "right" to "free" medications if appropriate regulation or legislation establishes that right, then it is by definition a right.



And heretofore I always thought that the issue of choice was about abortion not the prevention of an unwanted pregnancy that would preclude the need for abortion?
And another one goes into the weeds. Too bad. NEXT!
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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Yes go find another place to work. Like I state before, I have employees that stay with me for a lower wage than at other companies just because of the insurance coverage I provide, that and I'm an great person if I do say so myself.
I suspect that you DO have to say so yourself.

You are very cavalier with your edict to "go find some other place to work." It is attitudes like yours from which employees need protection, which is why we need laws. Employees should not have to depend on the largesse of their employer for adequate health insurance coverage.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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How is it a war on women? It about being Pro-Choice and having the choice to decide whether or not to provide contraception. I would think you liberal lefties would support Pro-Choice laws.

The four women that live with me feel that if a women wants to have sex she should pay for her own protection.

It's not healthecare people its a fun fun pill.
Yea well the 13 women I live with say it is healthcare and agree that it should be free.

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Yes go find another place to work. Like I stated before, I have employees that stay with me for a lower wage than at other companies just because of the insurance coverage I provide, that and I'm an great person if I do say so myself.
Yea well I have employees that all work for minimum wage all because of the fantastic insurance coverage I provide and I'm an awesomely great person.

I win!
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:25 AM
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Location: Wisconsin
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I have an idea. Let's go with the single payer plan and then employers won't have to worry about making choices for other people's health care. Since some of you seem to believe that the employer has a right to pick and choose for you what medical care you will receive, suppose they decide that since cancer and cardiac care are the most expensive medical cost they just will refuse to cover the insurance for those items?
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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I suspect that you DO have to say so yourself.

You are very cavalier with your edict to "go find some other place to work." It is attitudes like yours from which employees need protection, which is why we need laws. Employees should not have to depend on the largesse of their employer for adequate health insurance coverage.
No, just a smart business person that understands to keep great employees I must provide things with in reason that will keep them working at a high level and happy.

However that decision should rest with me alone as the business owner.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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more third world thinking from right wing conservative men. this is about pushing a moral value on women. the reaction to these types of attempts only solidifies the need for more radical feminists to hold the line we have drawn in the sand. basic health care includes birth control.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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I have an idea. Let's go with the single payer plan and then employers won't have to worry about making choices for other people's health care. Since some of you seem to believe that the employer has a right to pick and choose for you what medical care you will receive, suppose they decide that since cancer and cardiac care are the most expensive medical cost they just will refuse to cover the insurance for those items?
Greece.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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We are cattle, nothing more. Stupider than most cows.
Not all of us.

Just the ones who vote against their own best interests by voting 'R.'
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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more third world thinking from right wing conservative men. this is about pushing a moral value on women. the reaction to these types of attempts only solidifies the need for more radical feminists to hold the line we have drawn in the sand. basic health care includes birth control.

Third world mentality from reps from third world states like Kentucky and Missouri.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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more third world thinking from right wing conservative men. this is about pushing a moral value on women. the reaction to these types of attempts only solidifies the need for more radical feminists to hold the line we have drawn in the sand. basic health care includes birth control.
BS. Its about choices.
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