Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Secondly I take acception to your plural useage when describing "open viscious borders". You've only got one viscious border you refuse to defend, the other is as secure as any border can be with drones flying overhead as well.
Protecting yourself from Canadian Senior Snowbirds who come to enhance your economy has assumed priority over the illegals pouring into your country from below.
You can take all the 'exception' you like. The northern border is extremely porous:
"The unmanned planes look north toward the long, lightly defended and admittedly porous Canada-U.S. border – the best route many Americans believe for jihadists seeking to attack the United States to sneak across."
Yes, let's wage war on our 3rd largest oil supplier. I couldn't possibly come up with a more brilliant idea. Ya know, this is probably why our Federal government has been relatively lax with enforcement of border security. After all, we can't really afford a breakdown in international relations and tick off a country which contributes so much to feed the voracious appetite of our oil-centric economy. Sure, we could wage war and steal Mexico's oil anyway, but we don't need to finance another war when we're already $14 trillion in the hole.
As a patriot it pains me to say this, but this country is so f***ed.
Considering your largest foreign oil provider routinely gets whacked upside the head by Washington I don't think it's the oil but rather your grass cutters, hotel maids, nanny's etc., that you won't risk p***ing off!
Quite a few of your congressmen, governors and other nuts were of the habit of claiming those 9/11 terrorists entered through Canada and even though it was subsequently proven they were all in the country legally on visas and had entered through your coastal ports of entrys; no apologies to date from nutbars like McCain or Napolitano.
Napolitano with her dismal record of border enforcement as Arizona'a governor, as chief of Homeland Stupidity has now gone on to require more stringent requirements for vacationing snowbirds from Canada and also to claim a fence is needed on the 49th and further, that drone flights are required up here.
The only thing you folks worry about down there is your interstate commerce with opening that border up to trucks and also paying those Mexican trucking firms to bring their trucks into emissions compliance. God forbid you should miss a shipment of stuff formerly built in the U.S. of A. but is now made in Mexico to access that cheap labour pool.
You have a preferred treatment status and believe me Mexico is on that list while your ally and friend to the north is someone you can all refer to as that universal health care providing, socialist country to the north.
How many Mexicans have died in Afghanistan? How many Mexicans are currently involved in flying sorties over Libya? How many Mexicans were involved in hiding and smuggling U.S. citizens out of Iran on Canadian passports. How many American citizens were temporarily housed in Mexican households when overseas flights entering U.S. airspace were told they couldn't land there due to the RISK but were welcomed into Canadian airspace regardless and voluntarily housed in private homes.
You can take all the 'exception' you like. The northern border is extremely porous:
"The unmanned planes look north toward the long, lightly defended and admittedly porous Canada-U.S. border – the best route many Americans believe for jihadists seeking to attack the United States to sneak across."
They believe it because that's what they're being told by those who have an agenda to ignore the southern border with business as usual. You wouldn't want to dry up that cheap labour pool would you? La 'Raza and the corporations that elect your presidents would get miffed.
Yep, that's sure a vicious border alrighty, lotsa beheadings and stuff going on up here! Your Border Patrol agents are routinely pelted with rocks over the fence and even worse killed with guns YOU gave the criminals. Yep, better build that fence. "Fast and Furious" something you want to try up here too now? Just in the name of securing our border of course.
The first link was about a guy YOU LET INTO your country even after he showed up walking with a bloody chain saw. That's somehow Canada's fault? What about all the truckers coming north with guns in their trucks? Are you responsible in any way for them over the last 40 years or so? How many of those smuggled guns were used in the commission of crimes in Canada? Any responsibilty for that should lie solely on our agents allowing them in right? Well?
That last link was from 2005 by the way. There's been a lot of changes since then.
All of those cretins who perpetrated 9/11 entered your country legally via OTHER ports of entry with VISAS but; yep, that border with Canada is the one to watch. Ya gotta love it when folks gainfully employed exploiting your fears tell you to focus on the northern boder rather than the southern one.
Sheesh; you wouldn't know if any terrorists have entered via Mexcio but those of us sitting in a restaurant in Los Algodonez watching an unbroken stream of them wading up the river right below your border control point windows in the fall winter of 2009 have an idea.
Your talking heads are immune from displaying any common sense on this issue they have your fear on their side and a budget to spend.
"Open viscious borders" was the term I took exception to and if you want to equate the border with Canada to the going's on at the border with Mexico, that you're currently doing nothing about; fine, I know where your priorities lie, I wont be surprised and you and I will just call it a day.
Then you should know that it's obvious killers and rapists that live 40 miles from the border can simply go to Juarez and do their killing and raping and then return as they please. There are El Paso and New Mexicans that have been murdered in Juarez because they were fully involved in what's going on over there.
The real reason to commit crimes in Juarez is there are not cameras everywhere and the police cannot solve most of the murders. The chances of getting caught over there are much lower. That doesn't mean the killers don't live in the USA.
You can't take a few examples and blow it out of proportion and besides as you claim the people that were killed are those involved in shady things, so most Americans shouldn't have to worry.
Yep, that's sure a vicious border alrighty, lotsa beheadings and stuff going on up here! Your Border Patrol agents are routinely pelted with rocks over the fence and even worse killed with guns YOU gave the criminals. Yep, better build that fence. "Fast and Furious" something you want to try up here too now? Just in the name of securing our border of course.
The first link was about a guy YOU LET INTO your country even after he showed up walking with a bloody chain saw. That's somehow Canada's fault? What about all the truckers coming north with guns in their trucks? Are you responsible in any way for them over the last 40 years or so? How many of those smuggled guns were used in the commission of crimes in Canada? Any responsibilty for that should lie solely on our agents allowing them in right? Well?
That last link was from 2005 by the way. There's been a lot of changes since then.
All of those cretins who perpetrated 9/11 entered your country legally via OTHER ports of entry with VISAS but; yep, that border with Canada is the one to watch. Ya gotta love it when folks gainfully employed exploiting your fears tell you to focus on the northern boder rather than the southern one.
Sheesh; you wouldn't know if any terrorists have entered via Mexcio but those of us sitting in a restaurant in Los Algodonez watching an unbroken stream of them wading up the river right below your border control point windows in the fall winter of 2009 have an idea.
Your talking heads are immune from displaying any common sense on this issue they have your fear on their side and a budget to spend.
"Open viscious borders" was the term I took exception to and if you want to equate the border with Canada to the going's on at the border with Mexico, that you're currently doing nothing about; fine, I know where your priorities lie, I wont be surprised and you and I will just call it a day.
I'm not blaming Canada in any way shape or form, merely pointing out that we do have two porous borders through which can potentially pass some sort of threat to our safety.
While all of the attention is being paid to the southern border, who knows who or what is coming through up north. Clearly there is quite the conduit for drugs into the far northwestern states via at least one of the Indian reservations.
I just think that it is naive to totally ignore one while harping on the other.
You seem to think that only the U.S. has a responsibility to guard her borders and fault us for the poor enforcement regarding what comes in from Mexico and yet want to take no responsibility for what you all let into your country.
Doing something about it works both ways.
Have you people even bothered to find out the type of screening that happens at your northern border? Nope; didn't think so!
Here's the deal for retired Canadians travelling south with money to spend for the winter.
Questions:
While waiting in vehicle line; it is routine to have the 'sniffer' dogs walked up the line and close to all of the vehicles.
Passport, title to vehicle and proof of insurance.
What is your destination?
Do you own property in the U.S.? The answer to this question prompts them to require or ask for proof of a "closer connection" to Canada in the form of current bank account pass books or statements, Property tax receipts for our property in Canada, current copy of utility bills for that property AND income tax forms proving we have paid income tax on Canadian income and that we do not have investment income in the U.s. in amounts that would require an IRS filing.
How much money are you bringing with you? this is to assure we will not be a burden on your welfare rolls I guess.
Then the routine stuff of fruits and vegaetables begins.
If he/she is not satisfied with ANY of the answers then it's off to secondary inspection for a thorough search of the vehicle.
Porous my ass!
I have yet to witness ANY mexican get asked any of this stuff and believe me I've crossed that border many times WITH THEM at both San Luis and Los Algodones and witnessed your own returning citizens getting scrutinized far more aggressively at that "Lower Viscious Border". I have also witnessed the Mexican military enter your country illegally at the Imperial Sand Dunes area to escort Mexican thieves with a stolen pick-up back across the border while he was being chased by your Border Patrol. I have also been present at Los Alogodones when a pick-up truck loaded with stolen steel irrigation gates being chased by troopers was allowed into Mexico while the Mexican border agents drew their guns lest the troopers fail to stop in time!
Attempts to compare the two for either security or porousity is idiotic as anyone whose seen the daily goings-on of both up close and personal and doesn't have a Washington driven agenda to deflect from that lower one will tell you.
I'm not blaming Canada in any way shape or form, merely pointing out that we do have two porous borders through which can potentially pass some sort of threat to our safety.
While all of the attention is being paid to the southern border, who knows who or what is coming through up north. Clearly there is quite the conduit for drugs into the far northwestern states via at least one of the Indian reservations.
I just think that it is naive to totally ignore one while harping on the other.
You seem to think that only the U.S. has a responsibility to guard her borders and fault us for the poor enforcement regarding what comes in from Mexico and yet want to take no responsibility for what you all let into your country.
Doing something about it works both ways.
I was wondering why ICE was building a 28,000 sf facility in Rapid City, SD.
You can take all the 'exception' you like. The northern border is extremely porous:
"The unmanned planes look north toward the long, lightly defended and admittedly porous Canada-U.S. border – the best route many Americans believe for jihadists seeking to attack the United States to sneak across."
It seems there were some 28 Iranian illegal aliens caught in 2009 and 2010 during both the Bush and Obama Administrations and ICE let them go. Catch and release apparently. Maybe those Iranians aren't really as scary as we are led to believe if they are just let go, right? Oh they didn't show up at their immigration hearings either, what a surprise. Even though we are told Iran is a terrorist nation and we should be very afraid because they want nukes and threaten us and Israel, ICE just let them walk. Meanwhile TSA has their way with citizens traveling in their own country. Make sense?
"ICE booked all but seven of the 28 fugitives in three states that border on Mexico: Texas, Arizona and California.
Of the other seven who were not booked in one of these three states, two were booked in Boston, two in New York City, one in New Orleans, one in Atlanta, and one in Detroit, which borders on Canada."
There is a link for the ICE spreadsheet provided in the above article.
Last edited by SDBorn; 10-19-2011 at 08:07 PM..
Reason: clarity
I'm not blaming Canada in any way shape or form, merely pointing out that we do have two porous borders through which can potentially pass some sort of threat to our safety.
While all of the attention is being paid to the southern border, who knows who or what is coming through up north. Clearly there is quite the conduit for drugs into the far northwestern states via at least one of the Indian reservations.
I just think that it is naive to totally ignore one while harping on the other.
You seem to think that only the U.S. has a responsibility to guard her borders and fault us for the poor enforcement regarding what comes in from Mexico and yet want to take no responsibility for what you all let into your country.
Doing something about it works both ways.
Canadians aren't leaving headless bodies all over their towns, and we don't have 30 million Canadians living here illegally. Canadians aren't the biggest drug traffickers of the world, Mexicans are.
Like it or not there is a huge difference between Canada and Mexico.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Mexico is more a Threat to America's National Security, Not Iran
