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You are arguing with someone devoid of logic, morals, science and ethics. I suggest turning to your Cocker Spanial and preparing for a more salient discussion than the disgraceful people who applaud this.
So do you think making accusations of 'child abuse' without even reading the article or knowing anything about the family, gender dysphoria or the treatment recommended by the child's doctors, is logical, moral, ethical, or based in science?
The child is not being put through sex reassignment surgery!
In fact, this is probably the easiest way to "wait and see" if it truly IS something permanent, or if it's something that will disappear.
Sex reassignment surgery isn't something you order on a Monday and go do on a Wednesday. It involves multiple years of therapy, having to live as the opposite, sex, etc. It is a recognized and valid treatment for those with gender dysphoria.
From the article that you likely did not read:
His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
It's truly unbelievable the number of posters who have made really ignorant ugly comments on this thread without even reading the article. This thread (including the original 2 yr old one it was merged with) is probably one of the worst I've seen on CD in almost 5 years of posting.
I have worked with children who have been abused, I have worked with adults who have been abused as children. I have worked with transgender clients. The child in this story is not being abused. Her parents are doing the best thing they can do for a transgender child. Love and accept their child, educate themselves about transgenderism and gender dysphoria and seek help from medical experts with years of experience to help their child.
Please educate yourself before throwing around labels like 'child abuse'. It's hard to fathom why people make comments like that without bothering to inform themselves. It's truly heinous.
It is child abuse of epic proportions. Again, someone needs to call child services on this family and have these parents evaluated immediately. This is barbaric, disgusting and abusive behavior that will lead to a lifetime of negative consequences.
Only a self-righteous, vicarious and disturbed individuals would load an innocent child with experimental drugs, hormones, confusing psychobabble and then turn them lose into this cruel world to be made a mockery of.
You said it yourself, love and accept your child as biology has intended, instead of some sick science experiment with a living, breathing human that doesn't know how to write in cursive yet.
So do you think making accusations of 'child abuse' without even reading the article or knowing anything about the family, gender dysphoria or the treatment recommended by the child's doctors, is logical, moral, ethical, or based in science?
The doctor(s) (and I use that loosely) that carry out the will of these parents are on the same level as the Philadelphia butcher, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.
This is a freak show.
There is nothing more to know. Pumping a perfectly healthy kid with drugs to circumvent fundamental biology without him even having a fully developed brain and deep perspective of his parents choices is a 10 out 10 on the level of heinous.
Yes, obviously stifling a massive biological change in your body and possibly changing the gender outright, which is flying the face of the fundamentals of biology is as safe as sugar pill with no unintended consequences.
There are tons of things we do to and for our bodies that alter nature and the fundamentals of biology.
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Again, you lack logic and science.
And you're being hysterical. Stop clutching your pearls.
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This will undoubtedly cause devastating social, psychological and obviously physical impacts on this kids natural development all because of parents vicariously living through the child and using it as a Frankenstein experiment.
Compare to what? Growing up a cross-dressing, sad and confused child who will be mocked for his femininity? This child is already in for a hard upbringing. You must have no education on the issue of gender dysmorphia, and even more shamefully, have never thought to seek the perspectives of people who suffer from it. Instead, you retreat into ignorance, where you are undoubtedly very comfortable!
You have ZERO evidence of the parents "living vicariously through the child." ZERO. The parents already have grown kids and grandchildren. Your implication - completely out of the blue - is the sign of someone seriously deranged and unhinged.
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Save him from a world of hurt? This kid is going to be brutalized on levels you can only imagine. I can't believe the shortsightedness of this proposition.
What is shortsighted? Did you read the g-ddamned article?
Should the child not want to go through with sex re-assignment, he can be removed from the hormones and will go through puberty later without his fertility being affected.
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How anyone can argue for playing God with a child who still watches Nickelodeon, and load your child with pharmaceuticals during these years is disgusting, irresponsible and should be jailed for child abuse.
Maybe you would prefer to "beat the sissy out of him?"
Child abuse is forcing a child with these issues to go through the tortuous phase of puberty.
Things will get a LOT harder for him in the future that way. This way, he will have a choice. If he turns 14 and sees his male friends developing and suddenly feels embarrassed or wants to join in, he can get off the blockers.
But since he was going to probably live as a girl anyway, as his choice is to wear girls clothing and live as a girl now, then high school and the puberty years will be even tougher as a boy-in-a-dress, then in a boy-who-can-pass-as-a-girl-in-a-dress.
It's truly unbelievable the number of posters who have made really ignorant ugly comments on this thread without even reading the article. This thread (including the original 2 yr old one it was merged with) is probably one of the worst I've seen on CD in almost 5 years of posting.
Correct, you are moonbat that believes in child abuse and the overwhelming majority of people on this topic are decent, rational people that find this act heinous, disgusting, abusive and reject your ridiculous notions.
Hopefully we can hold the proverbial line against the freak shows your genre wants to parade around society like a Frankenstein experiment.
There are tons of things we do to and for our bodies that alter nature and the fundamentals of biology.
And you're being hysterical. Stop clutching your pearls.
Compare to what? Growing up a cross-dressing, sad and confused child who will be mocked for his femininity? This child is already in for a hard upbringing. You must have no education on the issue of gender dysmorphia, and even more shamefully, have never thought to seek the perspectives of people who suffer from it. Instead, you retreat into ignorance, where you are undoubtedly very comfortable!
You have ZERO evidence of the parents "living vicariously through the child." ZERO. The parents already have grown kids and grandchildren. Your implication - completely out of the blue - is the sign of someone seriously deranged and unhinged.
What is shortsighted? Did you read the g-ddamned article?
Should the child not want to go through with sex re-assignment, he can be removed from the hormones and will go through puberty later without his fertility being affected.
Maybe you would prefer to "beat the sissy out of him?"
Child abuse is forcing a child with these issues to go through the tortuous phase of puberty.
Things will get a LOT harder for him in the future that way. This way, he will have a choice. If he turns 14 and sees his male friends developing and suddenly feels embarrassed or wants to join in, he can get off the blockers.
But since he was going to probably live as a girl anyway, as his choice is to wear girls clothing and live as a girl now, then high school and the puberty years will be even tougher as a boy-in-a-dress, then in a boy-who-can-pass-as-a-girl-in-a-dress.
It certainly IS ignorant when you and so many others haven't even bothered to read the article. The evidence for this is you and others keep getting the important details wrong- like trying to say the parents are getting reassignment surgery done on a 8 yr old when they have done no such thing.
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Don't be upset that people do not accept your deluge of regurgitated, bookmarked links that are infested with nothing but manufactured theories by a cabinet of quacks.
All I hear is quacking from you here.
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The trash heap of psychobabble you call "weighted evidence" and "years of peer reviewed research" is nothing but a casserole of half baked soft science... They then took all of their papers and put it in a pile and had a big penis pulling contest around it and then passed it off as "empirical evidence"...as if observations are not subject to bias and perception.
[quack] [quack] [quack]
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I leave you with this challenge, Jaymax....
Find a single nanogram of HARD SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that preexisting, environmentally determined, subconscious identities exist or that socially variant gender roles can be predetermined.
Oh good grief. Are you seriously trying to say you think that people could raise a boy as a girl and they would believe they were a girl? That notion went out the door with egocentric idiots like Dr John Money about 40 years ago. Do you even realise that the male and female brains are structured differently and function differently? We've had hard evidence in the way of brain scans for years now. Just do a google search on the words "male female brain differences" and you'll find about 3 or 4 million results.
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In addition, find ANY HARD SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that backs Jan Wallinders notion that "transsexualism" is an extreme manifestation of the desire to change social roles or that transsexualism is caused by misidentification of the other sex.
LOL! Well this really shows how ignorant you are on the topic and how desperate you are to appear as if you know something about it.
I found the link where you copied your out-of-context quote. Trans Fried Fluff: Dec 27, 2010
Do you realise Jan Wallander said that in 1969? And you quoted it out of context. We've moved WAY past that. It's like asking me to find 'hard scientific evidence' for 'humors' in the blood. Also, it might help if you got the spelling of his name correct.
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HARD science....not the manufactured musings of psychotherapists, psychiatrists and psychologists.
Oh you mean like fMRI brain scans? Been there done that. Sorry you keep missing it.
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And to end....show me where these psychological "beliefs" were actually CHALLENGED with any type of vigor by soft science counterparts...you will find very, VERY scarce data. Because the reality is this... a lot of this conjecture was, and still is, accepted for face value by peers.
Well the 'beliefs' you gave were from the 1960's, so they've long been challenged and moved on from - because they weren't evidence based. Just like 'humors' in the blood. But you keep right on looking for 'beliefs' from 40 or 50 years ago to debunk. It just makes you look even more ignorant than a young earth creationist rabbiting on about "Darwinism" and 'missing links".
Epic fail.
I leave you with this challenge:
Do some real research, not 5 minutes looking for something to copy and paste that you don't even understand. Then you can try to challenge me.
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Also, it might help if you got the spelling of his name correct.