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Old 09-13-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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Does it make sense to you to demonize Islam because 16.8% of its adherents think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies if 16.8% of Christians think that targeting civilians is justified in defending Christianity?
Is it okay to "demonize" Islam because pretty much all majority Muslim nations are sexist, anti-Semitic, backwards, homophobic hellholes? Is it okay to "demonize" Islam because Muhammed married a nine year old? Because the Saudis don't let women drive? Because the Iranians put women in jail for showing their hair? Because the Jordanians have essentially legalized honor killings? Because in most of the Islam world freedom of religion is reserved for Muslims and Muslims only?

Let's stop acting as if there are no reasons to dislike Islam.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Actually the ONLY thing binding Indonesian Muslims and Nigerian Muslims(for example) is religion....
And a belief in the deliberate murder of civilians to defend their faith.
That's not true.

Economic freedom index, for one example

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67494033@N07/6144066629/ (broken link)
*hmm...click to see the graph

Both Indonesia and Nigeria are both below the average in terms of economic freedom.

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Let's stop acting as if there are no reasons to dislike Islam.
As a vocal atheist, I don't like any religion and wish that they would all go away.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Actually the ONLY thing binding Indonesian Muslims and Nigerian Muslims(for example) is religion....
And a belief in the deliberate murder of civilians to defend their faith.

A better question would be "How many Christians think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Christianity from its enemies?"

But the responses probably wouldn't sit well with you.
No they wouldn't "sit well", because they would be very high and I would find that depressing.

But as for the claim that it's improper to contrast Americans and Muslims, that's silly. The only thing "binding" American Catholics and American Muslims is nationality. If your point is that any group in which 16.8% support killing civilians is vile, what does it matter if you sort them by nation, religion, income or eye color? Vile is vile.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Let's stop acting as if there are no reasons to dislike Islam.
Let's stop acting as if you've ever met a real-life Muslim, or would know one if you tripped over him.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Looks like 93% of CD'ers refuse to condemn the killing of innocent civilians in order to defend America.

That's a lot higher than 17%
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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Get rid of all religion and we'd all have peace.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Get rid of all religion and we'd all have peace.
I don't like religion, but Roosevelt, Churchill and Hitler (and Stalin, Chiang, Mao, etc.) were not especially religious (although the first three used religion cynically) and look at the harm they all did.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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I don't like religion, but Roosevelt, Churchill and Hitler (and Stalin, Chiang, Mao, etc.) were not especially religious (although the first three used religion cynically) and look at the harm they all did.
Yea, well i always say that the one thing Hitler and Stalin had in common is that they were both raised as Christians.

Don't know what Mao's excuse was.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Yea, well i always say that the one thing Hitler and Stalin had in common is that they were both raised as Christians.
Fair enough!
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Old 09-13-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Yea, well i always say that the one thing Hitler and Stalin had in common is that they were both raised as Christians.
And obviously it didn't take.
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