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Originally Posted by alphamale
By the time our economy recovers, 70% of all Americans will be hooked on some sort of government assistance, as I see it.
How will they be weaned off?
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Weaned off? I think you mean cut-off.
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Originally Posted by Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus
Jobs.
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There aren't going to be any jobs.
As I told you all 4 years ago, the jobs you would be losing you would be losing permanently, as in those people will never work again.
Never means "at no time ever" for those who don't understand English.
As I have repeatedly proven over and over using the government's own data until I want to vomit, your government knew as early as 2007 that no jobs were available.
Again, as I have repeatedly stated using BLS own data, which they gathered in 2006-2007 for publication in 2008, in the
best case scenario:
you would only create 126,000 new jobs per month between 2008 and 2018.
BLS uses an unreliable model (the Birth/Death Model) which has proven to be a failure (and which by their own admission is a failure) so their numbers are differently twisted.
This is as good as it gets. Some of you can't seem to grasp that.
In the 1950s only a small percentage of US households had 2 wage earners.
By the 1970s that had increased to 13% of households with 2 wage earners.
By 2008 (the last reliable figures I have) 67% of US households had 2 wage earners.
By the end of this decade, you will return to the 1970s where perhaps 13% to maybe 16% of households will have 2 wage earners
with full-time jobs.
There just aren't going to be any jobs and your economy will not be able to support that level of employment in the future.
So get over it already.
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Originally Posted by nimchimpsky
A lot of people don't want to be on assistance. It's a source of shame for a lot of people. I closed my case as soon as I didn't need it. Not everyone fits into the narrow definition of "welfare queen" that CD'ers so love to bash.
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That's true, but unlike previous generations, you now have generations that have a sense of "entitlement" that these are things they deserve to have.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
You don't get it. The Democrats want more people on the dole. That's how they expand the Democrat voting base.
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That's why they rejected the Republican's proposals and opted for the Grotesque Society instead.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
Stop encouraging people to go on Food Stamps: Commented on this in another thread: "U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack backed a White House claim that food stamps, which the Department of Agriculture administers, actually constitute a stimulus program, describing it as “the most direct stimulus you can get into the economy during these tough times.” The reason the number of recipients has increased is that the federal government has been working more closely with local governments to get more Americans on food stamps, Vilsack said."
Did I fall asleep and wake up in Bizarro World? What he really should have said is make more people dependent on the federal dole and it will stimulate Democrat voting.
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Food Stamps are not stimulus.
It's 4th Grade Math.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
Welfare Reform: The same way it was done with welfare reform in 1996 (before it was tinkered with later on), with work requirements for recipients and drop dead dates to be taken off welfare.
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I see no reason they cannot be walking through the parks, or streets or along the riverbanks/stream banks picking up trash and emptying public trash cans.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
Drop illegal aliens from government freebies.
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Can't do it. They are protected by the 14th Amendment (as appalling as it may be).
I don't like the 14th Amendment as written any more than other person, but the logical solution is to amend it, not violate it.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
Vote out Democrats while there is still time.
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It will take a lot more than that. What you really need is a benevolent dictator to sort out the problems. At this point, democracy is actually an impediment.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
End Social Security for people not on it now or who are under a certain age. Paul Ryan had this one right.
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You can't do that. There is a certain percentage of society who are totally irresponsible, while another percentage of society is totally incapable of planning for the future for any number of reasons and no amount of education or training will ever change that fact.
For those people the best case situation would be to deduct Social Security taxes and take that portion of tax from their employer and put it in private trust fund that they cannot access and neither can the government.
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Originally Posted by LauraC
Medicaid: I don't know because I don't know how this one works now in conjunction with the states.
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Originally Posted by Driller1
SS is an insurance that people PAID for.
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Yes. I think people should pay their own unemployment insurance as well.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
Farmers support food stamps, b/c the intent of the program is to prop up prices for them and make a market for foodstuffs.
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Food Stamps by definition can never result in increased sales. They can only maintain previously existing sales.
It's simple 4th Grade Math.
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Originally Posted by Katiana
I support SS myself. But a lot of RWs don't; they call it a "ponzi scheme" (which it most certainly is NOT)
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It is a legalized Ponzi Scheme.
All Ponzi Schemes rely on new contributors entering the system or it collapses.
Social Security worked fine when there were 37 workers for every beneficiary but as the number of new people entering the Ponzi Scheme on the bottom declined, it started to collapse.
You only had 16 workers per beneficiary by the late 1950s, and now you have 2.1 workers per beneficiary.
Soon you will have less than 1 worker for each beneficiary.
That is a classic Ponzi Scheme by definition.
Since Obama whined and cried like a sissy to get the tax rate temporarily reduced to 4.2%, there's a high chance that Social Security will default on payments to beneficiaries in the 4th Quarter, creating more fiscal problems.
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