Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
4,301 posts, read 4,415,200 times
Reputation: 2397
Advertisements
If I was caught during war, I can fully expect to be tortured. It's going to happen (no matter what laws or bans are in place), so I'd say that all of this debate is moot and purely an exercise in "what if". The reality is that torture will take place, whether good intel or not, is given.
What's been reported is that key information leading to locating bin Laden came from detainees at Gitmo.
What's been assumed, and loudly trumpeted, is that this means waterboarding was what elicited this information.
Can you provide links to reports making this claim, other than Fox and Peter King? Because I'm seeing reported, in numerous media, that the Gitmo detainees provided this information long after waterboarding had stopped.
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches” and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a “myth.”
Thank you. When even Rumsfeld is admitting the truth it is time for Fox News and our local wing nuts to also stop telling the lie that waterboarding ever produced any actionable intelligence or stopped any attack ever. It was a completely useless dead end which never got us anything even as it made our country look bad for breaking the anti-torture treates we had signed in the past (and in those treaties waterboarding was listed as torture).
If I was caught during war, I can fully expect to be tortured. It's going to happen (no matter what laws or bans are in place), so I'd say that all of this debate is moot and purely an exercise in "what if". The reality is that torture will take place, whether good intel or not, is given.
Pretty much.
Little story:
Old neighbor was an Italian who did not care for Mussolini and defected. Joined the US Army and having good language skills, was assigned to intelligence.
They would bring captured prisoners to him. Told me he always started by asking nicely. He would then beat their brains out (think of the cops in LA Confidential) until they broke.
Did not enjoy it. Was not proud of it. But he collected vital information and saved American and British lives.
What's been reported is that key information leading to locating bin Laden came from detainees at Gitmo.
What's been assumed, and loudly trumpeted, is that this means waterboarding was what elicited this information.
Can you provide links to reports making this claim, other than Fox and Peter King? Because I'm seeing reported, in numerous media, that the Gitmo detainees provided this information long after waterboarding had stopped.
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches” and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a “myth.”
That has always been the way. To the victors, not only go the spoils, but also their version of history and interpretation of crimes committed.
An interpretation of history isn't limited to the winners. Losers do that too, they just do it in the capacity of what they are, however. They simply wait for their turn, sometimes forever.
But, to an educated outsider, it doesn't take much to see hypocrisy.
Neo Progs are incessantly whining about how evil water boarding is, yet they are now rejoicing that Bin Laden took two between the eyes. Help me understand the tortured logic so I don't assume hypocrisy.
You are being deliberately disingenuous. OBL was not a presumed terrorist, he was the self-confessed madman who orchestrated the murders of thousands of innocent people.
Bin Laden & co. "took two between the eyes" because they resisted being captured. There is no tortured logic and no need for you to assume hypocrisy.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
