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So if we play nice, they will too? Is that the rationale?
No. But then, rationale is a big word among the immature.
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And, wasn't it waterboarding that gave us the intel that led to OBL? I thought all intel garnered through "torture" was useless? At least that's what the libs tell us ad nauseum.
Prove it. One could also argue that it was the wonderfulness and appropriateness of the Patriot Act that did it.
This assertion is contradicted by statements from current and Bush administration officials and counter-terrorism personnel. KSM gave his info about the courier a year after waterboarding was stopped.
Its what I've heard, Bro. Maybe they switched to cattle prods and live rats.
No. But then, rationale is a big word among the immature.
Well, I know you like to fancy yourself as more intelligent and mature than the rest of us, so please do explain your rationale.
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Prove it. One could also argue that it was the wonderfulness and appropriateness of the Patriot Act that did it.
That's what has been reported in the news. I'm not privy to intel reports garnered from detainees at GTMO, so I guess we will need to rely on what the WH and news outlets report. Do you have proof that it wasn't information from enhanced interrogation techniques?
Yes, I do believe in waterboarding but if you do not, that's fine. I do not think waterboarding is torture but many do.
It's not simply a matter of personal opinion. After WW2 the US tried and executed Japanese officers who waterboarded American POWs stating it was a clear example of torture which periodically resulting in prisoners dying. The US has also had subjects die while being waterboarded. It's a fact that the US defined waterboarding as torture when it happened to Americans just as it is a fact we executed Japanese officers for it saying it was a war crime.
Well, I know you like to fancy yourself as more intelligent and mature than the rest of us, so please do explain your rationale.
I don't have to fancy anything. It would be pathetic to even make an attempt at that.
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That's what has been reported in the news. I'm not privy to intel reports garnered from detainees at GTMO, so I guess we will need to rely on what the WH and news outlets report. Do you have proof that it wasn't information from enhanced interrogation techniques?
I don't have any proof, and certainly won't take your word or your news media's either. I did hear this morning that the revelation came from a prison in Eastern Europe. Gitmo wasn't mentioned. If you're not into proof but just what you hear, then you certainly aren't a candidate to discuss rationale with.
So we have a Republican who is personally known to lie in the past (claiming there were death penals) spewing talking points about things he knows nothing about? I know the Republicans believe the truth doesn't matter as long as you repeat a lie over and over but really, when they have no knowledge about an operation then they should stop spouting their political lies. CNN said that the courier dropped OBL's tapes off at Al Jazeera (who cooperated with their own government's investigation who then shared it with American officials). The CIA then did the old fashioned following one guy to the next until they finally got to the big cheese. It's pretty clear you don't need torture to get the results when you're just following one suspect to the next up a chain of command. That's classic police work which even the anti-Mafia cops of the 1930's would be familiar with.
What's been reported is that key information leading to locating bin Laden came from detainees at Gitmo.
What's been assumed, and loudly trumpeted, is that this means waterboarding was what elicited this information.
Can you provide links to reports making this claim, other than Fox and Peter King? Because I'm seeing reported, in numerous media, that the Gitmo detainees provided this information long after waterboarding had stopped.
Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches” and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a “myth.”
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