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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy
lol, okay, so you were being facetious and agree with me then? It's torture to pour water down your nose, but not to blow your head off? lol
Right! As I stated above, it's defined under the Geneva convention as to how you can treat a prisoner of war. He was a casualty of war.
Glad you understand.
Prisoner.
Casualty.
Torture: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
Kill: to deprive of life : cause the death of
You were defining killing as = to torture. They don't mean the same thing.
Right! As I stated above, it's defined under the Geneva convention as to how you can treat a prisoner of war. He was a casualty of war.
Glad you understand.
Prisoner.
Casualty.
Torture: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
Kill: to deprive of life : cause the death of
You were defining killing as = to torture. They don't mean the same thing.
So it's inhumane to pour water down your nose, but not inhumane to blow off the face on which said nose is attached?
And when`s the last time the Swiss had a problem with abetting war crimes -- for example laundering Nazi assets stolen in the Holocaust?
The Geneva Conventions are like the Kyoto Accords (remember them?): a bunch of fatuous "rules" put down by people with the mentality of junior high school girls who never had to engage in a real fight in their lives.
I see Bin Lden's execution as a good start in ridding the world of vermin. Next on the list are Ghadaffy, Hafez Assad, Ahmedinejad, Castro, the leader of Hamas, and Kim Jong Il.
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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy
So it's inhumane to pour water down your nose, but not inhumane to blow off the face on which said nose is attached?
A long time ago, I had a cat named Floyd. He was a good cat. I liked that cat. He sometimes came around when I was outside and I would pet him and he would purr. Sometimes, he'd even sit beside me and fall asleep.
One morning, I was going to school. I cranked up my '66 GMC pickup and heard a "WHUMP" sound come from the engine compartment. I got out, opened my hood, and fur fell down from where it had stuck to the hood. Floyd had crawled into the engine compartment to get some warmth from the motor. Floyd was on the ground, in shock, with a good chunk of his upper body missing. Floyd was dying a horrible death.
I went inside the house, got my .22, took it out by my truck and shot Floyd behind the ear. Then I buried him behind the house and drove to school.
He was just a cat. I could've just let him die from his injuries. Or I could've blown his brains out and took him out of his misery.
Torture is inhumane, and we've agreed not to do it. By doing it, we became a nation that endorsed torture. We condemned the Kmer Rouge for it, but we do it. It makes us hypocrites. We declare our morals to be superior, yet do the exact same thing the others are doing, but declare that what we do "really isn't torture."
Torture would've been to let that cat die like he was dying.
Being humane was to blow his brains out.
A long time ago, I had a cat named Floyd. He was a good cat. I liked that cat. He sometimes came around when I was outside and I would pet him and he would purr. Sometimes, he'd even sit beside me and fall asleep.
One morning, I was going to school. I cranked up my '66 GMC pickup and heard a "WHUMP" sound come from the engine compartment. I got out, opened my hood, and fur fell down from where it had stuck to the hood. Floyd had crawled into the engine compartment to get some warmth from the motor. Floyd was on the ground, in shock with a good chunk of his upper body missing. Floyd was dying a horrible death.
I went inside the house, got my .22, took it out by my truck and shot Floyd behind the ear. Then I buried him behind the house and drove to school.
He was just a cat. I could've just let him die from his injuries. Or I could've blown his brains out and took him out of his misery.
Torture is inhumane, and we've agreed not to do it. By doing it, we became a nation that endorsed torture. We condemn the Kmer Rouge for it, but we do it. It makes us hypocrites. We declare our morals to be superior, yet do the exact same thing the others are doing, but declare that what we do "really isn't torture."
Torture would've been to let that cat die like he was dying.
Being humane was to blow his brains out.
So we should have put Bin Lden in a blender, shut it off just before he died, and then put a round through his bloody skull. I like your style, Fairlane!
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So we should have put Bin Lden in a blender, shut it off just before he died, and then put a round through his bloody skull. I like your style, Fairlane!
Repped you for that. That was hilarious. I'm still trying to get the mental picture out of my head.
Torture is inhumane, and we've agreed not to do it. By doing it, we became a nation that endorsed torture. We condemned the Kmer Rouge for it, but we do it. It makes us hypocrites. We declare our morals to be superior, yet do the exact same thing the others are doing, but declare that what we do "really isn't torture."
Torture would've been to let that cat die like he was dying.
Being humane was to blow his brains out.
I agree... torture is inhumane (but then again terrorists are not humane).
That is why the U.S. applies enhanced interrogation such as waterboarding (not torture).
Waterboarding is done in parts of the military for training purposes.
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I agree... torture is inhumane (but then again terrorists are not humane).
That is why the U.S. applies enhanced interrogation such as waterboarding (not torture).
Waterboarding is done in parts of the military for training purposes.
Good point. I was wondering if my wife took 20 bucks out of my wallet. Think I'll go apply some enhanced interrogation techniques. After all, it's not like I'd be torturing her or anything.
You've got to wonder sometimes, though, how many important breakthroughs in espionage, military strategy, etc., have occurred because of ruthless interrogations that we have never heard about. The same thing is true of war crimes and other phenomena which have become hot topics in today`s 24-hour news world of journalists with high tech operational components and shallow, adolescent world-views.
Do we really believe that the My Lai massacre in Vietnam was unprecedented in the annals of American combat? Or that the equivalent of waterboardng has not featured prominently in virtually every one of our successes both military and in the world of espionage and dark intelligence?
It is all well and good to hold ourselves to the highest standards of behavior in our military conflicts, to the extent to which that is possible. It is equally important to keep in mind that the niceties of civilized behavior have a way of beng overriden by other necessities in the heat of war or when issues of vital national security are at stake. No one who has never been in combat or involved n the interrogation of truly evil combatants can possibly know what is involved in those circumstances. Nor should they feel qualified to blithely pass judgement on those who are entrusted with keeping them safe without thinking long and hard about what they ask of their protectors.
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