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1) The story was proven false by those very same congressional hearings, which were not even necessary given the New York Times propensity to manufacture lies on the spot.
2) My rant against the New York Times has to do with their credibility. They continually hire reporters who plagerize and manufacture stories that are not even remotely true. Anyone who takes anything the New York Times has to say seriously is an idiot.
3) All links with Iran were cut in 1979. Which is why the US sold those weapons in Iran/Contra to Israel and not Iran directly.
And yet Oliver North was found guilty of abetting the obstruction of Congress while at the same time seeking a presidential pardon..
And if it was proven false by those very same congressional hearings, then why did you just say it was true? Remember this?
As far as Iran/Contra was concerned, the US sold weapons to Israel who in turn sold them to the Reform Party in Iran, which were then used to free American hostages in Beirut, Lebanon. Reagan acknowledged that as a mistake. It was never his intention to negotiate with terrorists. Reagan used the proceeds from the sale of those weapons to Israel to fund the efforts of the Contras, which is how he got around the Boland Amendment
#2 is what the people of Libya requested. #2 is what the UN supported. #2 is what our troops obeyed. #3 is where we're headed if when our representation declares intent to 'install' anything.
No....the UN mandate does not allow the coalition to take sides.
It can't support the rebel forces at all.
Of course that was broken on the first or second day as coalition planes were coordinating bombing runs on Libyan troops to aid the rebels.
Nice who Obama used the UN to get the useful idiots on board and then abandoned any pretense of following it.
And yet Oliver North was found guilty of abetting the obstruction of Congress while at the same time seeking a presidential pardon..
The US Court of Appeals in Washington voided Col. North's convictions on July 20, 1990, acquitting him of all charges. Try again.
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And if it was proven false by those very same congressional hearings, then why did you just say it was true? Remember this?
As far as Iran/Contra was concerned, the US sold weapons to Israel who in turn sold them to the Reform Party in Iran, which were then used to free American hostages in Beirut, Lebanon. Reagan acknowledged that as a mistake. It was never his intention to negotiate with terrorists. Reagan used the proceeds from the sale of those weapons to Israel to fund the efforts of the Contras, which is how he got around the Boland Amendment
You are grasping at straws to argue about nothing
The congressional hearings proved that no US weapons were sold to Iran or Iraq during the 1980s. Although they did find that four civilian US helicopters were sold to Iraq during the 1980s.
Are you incapable of comprehending what you read? What part of "the US sold weapons to Israel" are you not able to grasp? Did Israel somehow suddenly become synonymous with Iran, or can you not distinguish between the two countries?
Why? Why should we spend taxpayers' $$$ fighting for Libyans when so much at home needs attention? And since you express a desire for a "secular free society", how do you propose we ensure that? A democracy certainly doesn't guarantee it. Who are we to impose our will on another nation?
if you had followed my other posts in other threads, you would also know, I want the french to be in charge with us just providing logistical support, tomahawks and air cover....
why you ask?
Because I think it is the responsibility of all free people to hope for, and help those that are enslaved, to achieve peace and freedom...
The US Court of Appeals in Washington voided Col. North's convictions on July 20, 1990, acquitting him of all charges. Try again.
Actually its you that needs to try again.. They reversed his felony conviction of destroying classified documents and then suspended the other charges.. Thats not an acquittal..
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The congressional hearings proved that no US weapons were sold to Iran or Iraq during the 1980s. Although they did find that four civilian US helicopters were sold to Iraq during the 1980s.
Are you incapable of comprehending what you read? What part of "the US sold weapons to Israel" are you not able to grasp? Did Israel somehow suddenly become synonymous with Iran, or can you not distinguish between the two countries?
Which then sold them to Iran.. See I can do slappy face as well. Do you have a point in all of this, and what the heck does this have to do with the thread?
I don't think Obama really should get any blame here, since its a Clinton that obviously in charge now. Bill for press conferences, Hillary for foreign affairs. Chelsea is on call for domestic. Socks is dead.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to take this headline on Drudge Report and create a thread here.
Out of the following possibilities...
1- Ignore Gaddaffi's actions (Technically support Gaddaffi)
2- Weaken Gaddaffi's use of military over the rebels (Technically, support the rebellion)
3- Direct engage in war with the government in Libya
One should never mistake protesters with the masses.
If I were to believe the protesters I happen to see, I would guess that Alabama is a strongly anti-war, pro-choice state.
I didn't mistake the masses with protesters. It's something sweeping northern africa. Surely I could see Libyan diplomats slaying him by the very coup he lived by in their own quest for power but this is much bigger than even just Libya. I'd say this is al jazeera. Battles rage for control of Libya - Africa - Al Jazeera English
Watch the rats scurry...
(Ain't globalization grand? ) 'Gaddafi funded Sarkozy's election bid'
'Time to arm the masses' - Gaddafi | WORLD News (http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/time-arm-masses-gaddafi-4073006 - broken link)
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"It is now necessary to open the stores and arm all the masses with all types of weapons to defend the independence, unity and honour of Libya," Gaddafi said in an audio message broadcast on state television hours after the strikes began.
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Thousands of Libyans packed into Muammar Gaddafi's heavily fortified Tripoli compound to form a human shield against air strikes by allied forces.
So, IF he did arm the masses (meaning arming his own loyalists), do you suppose they'll shoot him, shoot the military shooting at their neighbors, or shoot at the rebellion? What would a good Muslim do?
A lawyer in Benghazi said on Wednesday a security committee formed by civilians there had arrested 36 mercenaries from Chad, Niger and Sudan hired by Gaddafi's elite Praetorian Guard.
In Egypt, a 21-year-old Libyan student named Saddam said he had seen French-speaking fighters from west and north Africa open fire on protesters before he fled.
Gee all this French language going on in the oddest places. French connection? Time will tell how many rats set off bombs in France.
No....the UN mandate does not allow the coalition to take sides.
It can't support the rebel forces at all.
Civilians were being massacred with military aircraft. It's my understanding the authorization for force is targeting military. This action intrinsically benefits 'rebel forces' (some now armed, some remain as peaceful demonstrators). Your supposition is irrational.
The US Court of Appeals in Washington voided Col. North's convictions on July 20, 1990, acquitting him of all charges. Try again.
On technicalities. He's as innocent as OJ Simpson. Keep spinning (in the mud).
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