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Old 03-22-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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He sounds like Bush.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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We helped arm Iran through the 1980's to try to overthrow Saddam..

Iraq
Throughout the 1980s America sold weapons to both Iraq and Iran, but primarily to Iraq. Oliver North told the Iranians that America would support the Iranians in overthrowing Saddam Hussein. At the same time we were telling Saddam that we would support him in taking land in Iran.

So this leads me back to the question.. What do you do if #2 fails?
Not true. The US cut all ties with Iran in 1979. The only thing the US provided Iran during the 1980s was military intelligence on Iraq operations during the Iran/Iraq war. We also provided Iraq with military intelligence on Iranian operations. Reagan's goal was so that neither Iran nor Iraq would gain any ground in their war, and he was successful. The US provided no weapons to either Iran or Iraq during the 1980s.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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Not true. The US cut all ties with Iran in 1979. The only thing the US provided Iran during the 1980s was military intelligence on Iraq operations during the Iran/Iraq war. We also provided Iraq with military intelligence on Iranian operations. Reagan's goal was so that neither Iran nor Iraq would gain any ground in their war, and he was successful. The US provided no weapons to either Iran or Iraq during the 1980s.
Iran
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to take this headline on Drudge Report and create a thread here.

Out of the following possibilities...
1- Ignore Gaddaffi's actions (Technically support Gaddaffi)
2- Weaken Gaddaffi's use of military over the rebels (Technically, support the rebellion)
3- Direct engage in war with the government in Libya

I support #2. What do you?
Mind our own business and stop interfering in the internal affairs on other nations.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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Mind our own business and stop interfering in the internal affairs on other nations.
Indeed. This is totally what should happen, but unfortunately never will.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Obama Mission du Jour in Libya: “Installing a democratic system†« Hot Air



"But “installing a democratic system†sounds an awful lot like the nation-building on which both Obama and Hillary heaped criticism while running for President in 2007-8."

Gee, I guess this isn't just a no fly zone. Perhaps this jack ass can finish his little vacat.... I mean tour in South America and come back home and explain things. Seems to me, he is as confused to what our purpose over there is, or he just doesn't want to be honest about it.
Sounds about right for our idiot boy president.

Now what about “installing a democratic system†for Darfur, Zimbabwe and Equatorial Africa? If Equatorial Africa makes you nervous there is a lot of oil there too. Kind of a bonus.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Enforcing a No Fly Zone requires firing missiles and such. How do you think it was done under HW Bush, and later under Clinton, in post-Gulf War Iraq (to protect civilians)? Did you see those as wars?
Ummm,no it doesn't.

You don't bomb the leader of another nations home to enforce a no fly zone.

You don't bomb power stations.

You don't bomb troops on the ground and armored vehicles.

In fact,in Iraq,the air defenses weren't targeted UNLESS they tracked or locked on to Allied aircraft.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Did Saddam have an active rebel force opposing him that made option #2 a viable choice?

Or did you just feel like a little apples/oranges snack?
Yes,the Kurds.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Indeed. This is totally what should happen, but unfortunately never will.
Well, no.

Americans think it is their God given right to screw with other nations.
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Old 03-22-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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Not true. The US cut all ties with Iran in 1979. The only thing the US provided Iran during the 1980s was military intelligence on Iraq operations during the Iran/Iraq war. We also provided Iraq with military intelligence on Iranian operations. Reagan's goal was so that neither Iran nor Iraq would gain any ground in their war, and he was successful. The US provided no weapons to either Iran or Iraq during the 1980s.
According to The New York Times, the United States supplied the following arms to Iran:
  • August 20, 1985. 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
  • September 14, 1985. 408 more TOWs
  • November 24, 1985. 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
  • February 17, 1986. 500 TOWs
  • February 27, 1986. 500 TOWs
  • May 24, 1986. 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
  • August 4, 1986. More Hawk spares
  • October 28, 1986. 500 TOWs
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Thanks.. you beat me to it..

I thought everyone knew about the Iran Contra affair..
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