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Old 01-11-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The insane can be motivated by anything, video games, music, animals (son of Sam said a dog spoke to him). You can't organize your actions around what could possibly trigger nuts to act.
Perhaps a good topic for a new thread....

What words,images or speech would make you kill other people?


 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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Blaming the actions of some crazy guy for political gain is pretty pathetic.

What's next? Do we blame the "Hollywood liberals" and Jodie Foster for Hinkley blasting Reagan and a couple others?

Really, this incident is an ink-blot test and most of us see the blot as some crazy guy....others are using it to try to project their own biases for political gain which is sad.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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Oh, BTW....if anyone should be ashamed of their actions, it would be hollywood, with all of their violent imagery on the movie screen, especially Robert Dinero, who's character in Taxi Driver more closely resembles this lunatic than anyone else.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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He's right. They started out immediately blaming Palin--putting her crosshairs map up for people to see. Then it changed to talk show host. They seem to be bent on blaming anyone but the nut job that did it.
I don't think anyone started out blaming Palin. When tragedies like this happen, people look for reasons, "signs", etc. That was one proposal. The fact that Palin took it right down didn't help, either.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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"Hate speech" is far different than "inflammatory rhetoric".

Yet again, the left is grabbing an opportunity to play the blame game due to the actions of someone who much closer resembles them, than the one's on which they are laying blame.

The truth is, he's a pot smoking, drop out, military reject, communist, racist atheist. and the left is treating him as a victim of the right.

Go figure!
There is blame, not total blame for the shooter, but some level of culpability on both sides. Some pundits on both sides are beginning to accept that, although mostly on the left, some on the right are starting to as well. It is not a political issue, it's a common sense issue.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I don't think anyone started out blaming Palin. When tragedies like this happen, people look for reasons, "signs", etc. That was one proposal. The fact that Palin took it right down didn't help, either.
Actually,the THIRD reply to the original thread was blaming the right,Padcrasher was the poster.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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Obviously all people are reasonable and sane, none susceptible to hate and violence speech, direct or indirect. We certainly should not bash right or left wing pundits that do exercise their right to free speech. After all, they could not possibly move anyone to be violent. Right?
Other than his own mental illness, what exactly moved this guy to violence? And please do not manufacture yet another round of BS. I would like you to point out a solid causal connection. Solid.

Furthermore, what exactly would move YOU to violence?

I would like to know. Really. Are you some sheep that needs a shephard? Are you simply a drone? Are you not in control of your own faculties?

Again, what kind of vitriol or rhetoric would motivate you to pick up a gun and start shooting innocents? If you believe it happened to this guy, certainly you must believe it could happen to you.

I mean, some of the things you post here are among the stupidest, most idiotic things I have ever read. Yet I have no desire to even ring your doorbell and run. And I am quite sure you feel the same about me. Yet I doubt you have any desire to gun me down.

I await your answers. Make them good ones.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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There is blame, not total blame for the shooter, but some level of culpability on both sides. Some pundits on both sides are beginning to accept that, although mostly on the left, some on the right are starting to as well. It is not a political issue, it's a common sense issue.
Please provide some evidence (other that what you feel) that leads you to the conclusion that he was motivated by political speech, much less aware that it existed.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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"Hate speech" is far different than "inflammatory rhetoric".

Very good point. Thanks. Wish I could edit it now but I can't.
 
Old 01-11-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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[quote=shorebaby;17362169]The insane can be motivated by anything, video games, music, animals (son of Sam said a dog spoke to him). You can't organize your actions around what could possibly trigger nuts to act.[/quote]


Exactly right.

Honestly, sometimes I think Ann Coulter was right - liberalism is a mental illness. The lengths to which those on the left will go to try to blame Palin, Rush, Beck, O'Reilly for this lunatic's actions are, well, lunatic!
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