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Old 03-06-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Loughner -- the lone suspect in last year's Tucson shooting that killed six people and injured 13, including former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords -- pleaded guilty to 19 charges in federal court on August 7, 2012, after being found competent to understand the charges against him.

As part of the plea deal, Loughner can't appeal his convictions, can't try any sort of insanity defenses, and won't ever be eligible for parole.

As part of the plea agreement, Loughner won't have to face the death penalty.


Was his sentencing fair? Has anyone heard anything new in the news media about this story (Besides the Gabby Giffords updates)?.

Do other politicians regularly hold "Congress on your Corner" open air meetings every few months? I know they do not do this in the northeast.

Just wondering if anyone here has any feedback, thanks.

Jared Loughner Pleads Guilty to 19 Charges, Will Spend the Rest of His Life in Prison - Phoenix - News - Valley Fever
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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You pretty much distilled the outcome. Satisfied? It saved the cost and trauma of a trial which would have dragged on for months if not a year or more. The plea bargain conditions sound pretty standard.

As far as our local Congressman (Steny Hoyer) holding events like that, he does hold Town Hall style meetings occasionally.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Thanks for the response. I was looking at pics of the Safeway shopping mall where it happened. It didnt seem very secure.

True, a trial would not have been practical. But still wonder why much more hasn't been discussed in the media about Loughner himself.
Supposedly he is in a federal prison in Missouri now? or perhaps I am mistaken.

Did his parents move from the area? I'd imagine they would want to. Very odd, sad story for them as well.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Here is a copy of his plea agreement, for anyone interested.

Loughner Plea Agreement

Judy Clarke , his defense attorney also defended the Unabomber. Interesting.

Judy Clarke: Loughner's Lawyer Defended the Unabomber - TIME
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Thanks for the response. I was looking at pics of the Safeway shopping mall where it happened. It didnt seem very secure.

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It's a grocery store parking lot. Do grocery store parking lots now need nannies?
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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Did his parents move from the area? I'd imagine they would want to. Very odd, sad story for them as well.
They should be in the jail cell next to him. This kid had years of bizarre behavior and run ins with the police. Goes off to college and has further issues with the campus police that resulted in a 54 page file detailing his classroom outbursts and culminated in his suspension from the school until he would submit to a psych evaluation. Did he get one? No, he and his parents just had him withdraw. This kid was spiraling out of control leading up to the shooting, even getting bullet tattoos on his shoulder. His dad confronted him the morning of the shooting after witnessing him remove a black bag from the car trunk, but Jared took off into the desert... did his dad call anyone? No. As far as I'm concerned, his parents are just as guilty for not getting him the help he so desperately needed.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Do you have a link?, I recall reading he was on medication, and yes something about the father just denying the mental issues in that family.
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Clear Lake Area
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start here: Jared Loughner's Father Pursued Son Before Shooting
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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They should be in the jail cell next to him. This kid had years of bizarre behavior and run ins with the police. Goes off to college and has further issues with the campus police that resulted in a 54 page file detailing his classroom outbursts and culminated in his suspension from the school until he would submit to a psych evaluation. Did he get one? No, he and his parents just had him withdraw. This kid was spiraling out of control leading up to the shooting, even getting bullet tattoos on his shoulder. His dad confronted him the morning of the shooting after witnessing him remove a black bag from the car trunk, but Jared took off into the desert... did his dad call anyone? No. As far as I'm concerned, his parents are just as guilty for not getting him the help he so desperately needed.
He was an adult.

It is not so easy as you make it seem.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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Loughner -- the lone suspect in last year's Tucson shooting that killed six people and injured 13, including former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords -- pleaded guilty to 19 charges in federal court on August 7, 2012, after being found competent to understand the charges against him.

As part of the plea deal, Loughner can't appeal his convictions, can't try any sort of insanity defenses, and won't ever be eligible for parole.

As part of the plea agreement, Loughner won't have to face the death penalty.


Was his sentencing fair? Has anyone heard anything new in the news media about this story (Besides the Gabby Giffords updates)?.

Do other politicians regularly hold "Congress on your Corner" open air meetings every few months? I know they do not do this in the northeast.

Just wondering if anyone here has any feedback, thanks.

Jared Loughner Pleads Guilty to 19 Charges, Will Spend the Rest of His Life in Prison - Phoenix - News - Valley Fever
Yes, I think his sentencing was fair. He opted for life without parole and no appeals instead of taking a chance on a trial and being sentenced to death. Btw, I think any time anyone enters a guilty plea to anything, they agree that the sentence is final and they waive the right to appeals; those are standard conditions for a plea deal.

I thought they had to medicate Loughner for a long time before he was mentally well enough to be able to understand the charges and well enough to make a decision regarding whether or not he wanted to enter a plea or go to trial. I think he got a good deal actually. Judy Clarke is a good and very, very well respected attorney in this area of the law. She certainly gets my thumbs up.
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