Attempt to catagorize official Pittsburgh neighborhoods (Map) (Allentown, Penn Hills: fit in, section 8)

[Uptown kid]

For this map to be accurate:
-Marshall-Shadeland needs to stay red, it's like a mini Penn Hills!
-Perry Hilltop-the past two decades it's lead the Northside formerly known as "Warside" in homicides... It should be orange it's been bad for a while.
-Arlington=orange no signs of getting better nor worse...
-Bedford Dwellings/Middle Hill= 7 out of of 11 homicides in the Hill were in these neighborhoods. The signs for gentrification have been pushed back and are about as noticable as a flyer on a telephone pole for a lost gold fish!!! Bedford Hills is currently a failure & the Crawford Square atmosphere stops before Middle Hill.
-Glen Hazel=orange unless you've heard they're gunna raze the projects ./?'s been bad for a while.
-Disputed areas like Brighton Heights/Elliot/Spring Hill/Spring Garden/Eslpen/Perry North need to stay/change into pink...
IMO Oakland should be yellow, Schenly Farms is the only nice-nice area, and even South & West Oakland can slide since there not entirely bad, and the bad parts are not too sketchy..
IMO Summer Hill/Fineview/Banksville/Brookline/Beechview/Bon Air should be green the later three have notable drug issues though.
IMO you might as well make St. Clair gray, and turn the Northshore to yellow or green.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by alleghenyangel

Homewood, Larimer, and Lincoln-Lemington are probably the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city, and they are all in the East End. Just saying.

According to his key, they are orange, meaning they are at rock bottom right now. Red means serious decline.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Are you implying bias on my part, or bias in terms of the path of the city's redevelopment?

If there was anywhere in the East End I'd say could head into decline, it's Stanton Heights, FWIW. Ugly suburban-style housing you could find in first-ring suburbs like Castle Shannon, coupled with the perception of having bad public school options. The very high levels (80%+) of home ownership have kept it stable, but I tend to think that as East Liberty and eventually Garfield get gentrified, it's the logical place that people who get pushed out will look for housing options, which sadly could kick it over the edge. It's certainly not going to appeal to gentrifiers any time soon.

No, to be honest if I had done something like this, it would be identical. I think the east end is getting better and better, with the exception of Homewood, LLB and Larimer.

[eschaton]

Agree with many of your calls...some comments.

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

-Glen Hazel=orange unless you've heard they're gunna raze the projects ./?'s been bad for a while.

My impression was it's not as bad as the other "projects neighborhoods" in the city - in part because so many of its residents are in the senior housing. Maybe I'm wrong though, since it's not like I hang out down there.

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

IMO you might as well make St. Clair gray, and turn the Northshore to yellow or green.

I understand your point on Saint Clair, but there still are around 200 people there, living in the scattered single-family homes on the blocks near Mount Oliver, so it's not really an ex-neighborhood.

The North Shore does have a few hundred residents too, so it's not really right to put it in the same category as Chateau. But I'd be hard pressed to say what it is. Maybe stable is the best? Does the Casino count as redevelopment? It's part of why it's easier to have it be gray.

[interested_burgher]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Are you implying bias on my part, or bias in terms of the path of the city's redevelopment?

If there was anywhere in the East End I'd say could head into decline, it's Stanton Heights, FWIW. Ugly suburban-style housing you could find in first-ring suburbs like Castle Shannon, coupled with the perception of having bad public school options. The very high levels (80%+) of home ownership have kept it stable, but I tend to think that as East Liberty and eventually Garfield get gentrified, it's the logical place that people who get pushed out will look for housing options, which sadly could kick it over the edge. It's certainly not going to appeal to gentrifiers any time soon.

Garfield? Really? Have you been there lately? I know there's a movement to revitalize Penn Ave., but c'mon. Drive through the heart of Garfield, or walk for that matter. Walk on Aiken from Black to Penn. Walk on Broad from Mathilda to Negley. Try it at night.........and those are main roads! You've gotta be out of your dag blem mind.

And yes, you are biased towards the East end. Very much so.

[Evergrey]

What distinguishes New Homestead from Lincoln Place and Hays?

As for East Carnegie and Oakwood... I explored both neighborhoods thoroughly... and Oakwood blows away East Carnegie.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by interested_burgher

Garfield? Really? Have you been there lately? I know there's a movement to revitalize Penn Ave., but c'mon. Drive through the heart of Garfield, or walk for that matter. Walk on Aiken from Black to Penn. Walk on Broad from Mathilda to Negley. Try it at night.........and those are main roads! You've gotta be out of your dag blem mind.

Yellow means neighborhoods, which, while depressed, show some signs of life - basically "gentrification candidates." I think there's enough activity along Penn to put Garfield on this rung now.

And yes, I'm fully aware about how the residential heart of Garfield is doing. I just drove through it yesterday. East Liberty only had development along the fringes a decade ago too. Has to start somewhere.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

What distinguishes New Homestead from Lincoln Place and Hays?

Hays looks like a West Virginia holler town, and is really poor.

Lincoln place is an ugly, first-ring suburb, but it's significantly more built up than Hays. Declining population, but socially stable. Not the sort of place you'd want to live if you were black though.

New Homestead is the richest of the three communities. However, it needs to be said it's pretty divided. The northern streets aren't even accessible from the city, and modest/typical of housing of the region. But there's a pretty dense subdivision-like area in the south which has only been constructed in the last few years. Look around Homeridge Drive and you'll see it, albeit at that time, they weren't even done constucting it. This is pretty clearly why it's improving, similar to the situation with Fairywood - new, suburban-style subdivision (barely) within city limits.

Originally Posted by Evergrey

As for East Carnegie and Oakwood... I explored both neighborhoods thoroughly... and Oakwood blows away East Carnegie.

Agreed. Oakwood is nicer than East Carnegie. But Oakwood isn't really improving, while East Carnegie is. I'm not sure why the latter would be the case however. Housing values fell, but the median family income rose from $26,000 to $41,000.

[eschaton]

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[PreservationPioneer]

The map looks great now.