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Hispanics are the new Germans/Irish/Italians/Hungarians/etc.--in a couple more generations, it will be no more remarkable to say you are part Hispanic (think Louis CK).
As tongue-in-cheek as this post is, my yinzer dad has a very similar conversation with me. "I've seen those sp***s popping up everywhere!" Keep in mind he's Puerto Rican (yes, a Puerto Rican Yinzer). Some weird self loathing thing going on there.
Never underestimate yinzer's inability to cope with people that are unlike themselves.
When I lived in Pgh. it was almost like I personally knew every Puerto Rican in that city, there were so few. Probably not that different now.
Hispanics are the new Germans/Irish/Italians/Hungarians/etc.--in a couple more generations, it will be no more remarkable to say you are part Hispanic (think Louis CK).
Big difference - not all of us are white. There is a different situation re. assimilation and acceptance of immigrants if they're white versus those who are not white. Most people don't even know that Louis CK is Mexican or Hispanic.
While the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and various members of SkyscraperPage.com were crying about the lack of racial and ethnic diversity for a major city, I punched some numbers for Pittsburgh and all core cities proper of metropolitan areas with 1,000,000+ population in the Northeast, northern Mid-Atlantic and Midwest to see exactly how Pittsburgh compared to them. There are 18 such cities in this comparison, including Pittsburgh. I kept the focus on the cities proper for two reasons: 1) because it was far less time-consuming, and 2) because the core cities proper are supposed to have the majority of the economic and cultural importance in their Metropolitan Statistical Areas.
So here are lists of the 18 cities ranked by the total populations of each city as of the 2010 Census, plus their rates of growth, their (major) racial and ethnic compositions, and the rate of growth of each group...
Total population
8,175,133 - New York
2,695,598 - Chicago
1,526,006 - Philadelphia
820,445 - Indianapolis
787,033 - Columbus
713,777 - Detroit
667,646 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
620,961 - Baltimore
617,594 - Boston
601,723 - Washington DC
594,833 - Milwaukee
459,787 - Kansas City
396,815 - Cleveland
319,294 - St. Louis 305,704 - Pittsburgh
296,943 - Cincinnati
261,310 - Buffalo
210,565 - Rochester
Rate of growth (2000-2010)
+10.6% - Columbus
+5.2% - Washington DC
+4.9% - Indianapolis
+4.8% - Boston
+4.1% - Kansas City
+2.1% - New York
+0.6% - Philadelphia
-0.3% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
-0.4% - Milwaukee
-4.1% - Rochester
-4.6% - Baltimore
-6.9% - Chicago
-8.3% - St. Louis -8.6% - Pittsburgh
-10.4% - Cincinnati
-10.7% - Buffalo
-17.1% - Cleveland
-25.0% - Detroit
White population
3,597,341 - New York
1,212,835 - Chicago
626,221 - Philadelphia
507,005 - Indianapolis
483,677 - Columbus
415,451 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
333,033 - Boston
272,305 - Kansas City
266,339 - Milwaukee
231,471 - Washington DC 201,766 - Pittsburgh
183,830 - Baltimore
147,929 - Cleveland
146,435 - Cincinnati
140,267 - St. Louis
131,753 - Buffalo
91,951 - Rochester
75,758 - Detroit
White percent of total population
66.0% - Pittsburgh
62.2% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
61.8% - Indianapolis
61.5% - Columbus
59.2% - Kansas City
53.9% - Boston
50.4% - Buffalo
49.3% - Cincinnati
45.0% - Chicago
44.8% - Milwaukee
44.0% - New York
43.9% - St. Louis
43.7% - Rochester
41.0% - Philadelphia
38.5% - Washington DC
37.3% - Cleveland
29.6% - Baltimore
10.6% - Detroit
White rate of growth (2000-2010)
+31.4% - Washington DC
+3.8% - Boston
+1.6% - Kansas City
+0.6% - New York
+0.1% - Columbus
-0.2% - Chicago
-5.9% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
-6.1% - Indianapolis
-8.1% - St. Louis
-8.3% - Philadelphia
-10.7% - Milwaukee
-10.8% - Baltimore* -10.8% - Pittsburgh*
-13.4% - Rochester
-16.6% - Cincinnati
-17.3% - Buffalo
-25.5% - Cleveland
-35.0% - Detroit
(*: Ranked by further decimal points.)
Black population
2,088,510 - New York
887,608 - Chicago
661,839 - Philadelphia
590,226 - Detroit
395,781 - Baltimore
305,125 - Washington DC
237,769 - Milwaukee
225,355 - Indianapolis
220,241 - Columbus
211,672 - Cleveland
157,160 - St. Louis
150,437 - Boston
137,540 - Kansas City
133,039 - Cincinnati
115,826 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
100,774 - Buffalo
87,897 - Rochester 79,710 - Pittsburgh
Black percent of total population
82.7% - Detroit
63.7% - Baltimore
53.3% - Cleveland
50.7% - Washington DC
49.2% - St. Louis
44.8% - Cincinnati
43.4% - Philadelphia
41.7% - Rochester
40.0% - Milwaukee
38.6% - Buffalo
32.9% - Chicago
29.9% - Kansas City
28.0% - Columbus
27.5% - Indianapolis 26.1% - Pittsburgh
25.5% - New York
24.4% - Boston
17.3% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
Black rate of growth (2000-2010)
+26.5% - Columbus
+13.1% - Minneapolis-St. Paul*
+13.1% - Indianapolis*
+6.7% - Milwaukee
+3.8% - Rochester
+2.5% - Boston
+0.9% - Philadelphia
-0.2% - Kansas City
-1.9% - New York
-5.5% - Baltimore
-6.4% - Cincinnati
-7.5% - Buffalo
-11.1% - Washington DC
-11.8% - St. Louis -12.2% - Pittsburgh
-13.2% - Cleveland
-16.7% - Chicago
-23.9% - Detroit
(*: Ranked by further decimal points.)
Hispanic population
2,336,076 - New York
778,862 - Chicago
187,611 - Philadelphia
107,917 - Boston
103,007 - Milwaukee
77,352 - Indianapolis
67,384 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
54,749 - Washington DC
48,679 - Detroit
45,953 - Kansas City
44,359 - Columbus
39,534 - Cleveland
34,456 - Rochester
27,519 - Buffalo
25,960 - Baltimore
11,130 - St. Louis
8,308 - Cincinnati 6,964 - Pittsburgh
Hispanic percent of total population
28.9% - Chicago
28.6% - New York
17.5% - Boston
17.3% - Milwaukee
16.4% - Rochester
12.3% - Philadelphia
10.5% - Buffalo
10.1% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
10.0% - Kansas City*
10.0% - Cleveland*
9.4% - Indianapolis
9.1% - Washington DC
6.8% - Detroit
5.6% - Columbus
4.2% - Baltimore
3.5% - St. Louis
2.8% - Cincinnati 2.3% - Pittsburgh
(*: Ranked by further decimal points.)
Hispanic rate of growth (2000-2010)
+153.9% - Columbus
+152.5% - Indianapolis
+134.7% - Baltimore
+96.4% - Cincinnati
+58.5% - St. Louis +57.4% - Pittsburgh
+50.2% - Kansas City
+45.5% - Philadelphia
+43.8% - Milwaukee
+26.8% - Boston
+26.4% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+24.7% - Buffalo
+22.9% - Rochester
+21.8% - Washington DC
+13.8% - Cleveland
+8.1% - New York
+3.3% - Chicago
+3.2% - Detroit
Asian population
1,038,388 - New York
147,164 - Chicago
96,405 - Philadelphia
64,248 - Minneapolis/St. Paul
55,235 - Boston
31,965 - Columbus
21,056 - Washington DC
20,851 - Milwaukee
17,236 - Indianapolis
14,548 - Baltimore 13,465 - Pittsburgh
11,399 - Kansas City
9,291 - St. Louis
8,409 - Buffalo
7,559 - Detroit
7,327 - Cleveland
6,493 - Rochester
5,481 - Cincinnati
Asian percent of total population
12.7% - New York
9.6% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
8.9% - Boston
6.3% - Philadelphia
5.5% - Chicago 4.4% - Pittsburgh
4.1% - Columbus
3.5% - Milwaukee*
3.5% - Washington DC*
3.2% - Buffalo
3.1% - Rochester
2.9% - St. Louis
2.5% - Kansas City
2.3% - Baltimore
2.1% - Indianapolis
1.8% - Cleveland*
1.8% - Cincinnati*
1.1% - Detroit
(*: Ranked by further decimal points.)
Asian rate of growth (2000-2010)
+105.4% - Buffalo
+54.4% - Indianapolis +46.4% - Pittsburgh
+45.7% - Baltimore
+42.5% - Philadelphia
+39.3% - Kansas City
+38.6% - Washington DC
+34.8% - St. Louis
+31.9% - New York
+31.2% - Rochester
+30.5% - Columbus
+24.7% - Boston
+18.7% - Milwaukee
+16.8% - Chicago
+13.7% - Cleveland
+9.0% - Minneapolis/St. Paul
+6.8% - Cincinnati
-18.4% - Detroit
And here are each city's rankings (out of 18) in terms of population percentages and rates of growth...
Boston
6 - White population percentage rank
17 - Black population percentage rank
3 - Hispanic population percentage rank
3 - Asian population percentage rank
2 - White rate of growth rank
6 - Black rate of growth rank
10 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
12 - Asian rate of growth rank
4 - Total population rate of growth rank
New York
11 - White population percentage rank
16 - Black population percentage rank
2 - Hispanic population percentage rank
1 - Asian population percentage rank
4 - White rate of growth rank
9 - Black rate of growth rank
16 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
9 - Asian rate of growth rank
6 - Total population rate of growth rank
Philadelphia
14 - White population percentage rank
7 - Black population percentage rank
6 - Hispanic population percentage rank
4 - Asian population percentage rank
10 - White rate of growth rank
7 - Black rate of growth rank
8 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
5 - Asian rate of growth rank
7 - Total population rate of growth rank
Baltimore
17 - White population percentage rank
2 - Black population percentage rank
15 - Hispanic population percentage rank
14 - Asian population percentage rank
12 - White rate of growth rank
10 - Black rate of growth rank
3 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
4 - Asian rate of growth rank
11 - Total population rate of growth rank
Washington DC
15 - White population percentage rank
4 - Black population percentage rank
12 - Hispanic population percentage rank
9 - Asian population percentage rank
1 - White rate of growth rank
13 - Black rate of growth rank
14 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
7 - Asian rate of growth rank
2 - Total population rate of growth rank
Rochester
13 - White population percentage rank
8 - Black population percentage rank
5 - Hispanic population percentage rank
11 - Asian population percentage rank
14 - White rate of growth rank
5 - Black rate of growth rank
13 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
10 - Asian rate of growth rank
10 - Total population rate of growth rank
Buffalo
7 - White population percentage rank
10 - Black population percentage rank
7 - Hispanic population percentage rank
10 - Asian population percentage rank
16 - White rate of growth rank
12 - Black rate of growth rank
12 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
1 - Asian rate of growth rank
16 - Total population rate of growth rank
Pittsburgh
1 - White population percentage rank
15 - Black population percentage rank
18 - Hispanic population percentage rank
6 - Asian population percentage rank
13 - White rate of growth rank
15 - Black rate of growth rank
6 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
3 - Asian rate of growth rank
14 - Total population rate of growth rank
Cleveland
16 - White population percentage rank
3 - Black population percentage rank
10 - Hispanic population percentage rank
16 - Asian population percentage rank
17 - White rate of growth rank
16 - Black rate of growth rank
15 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
15 - Asian rate of growth rank
17 - Total population rate of growth rank
Columbus
4 - White population percentage rank
13 - Black population percentage rank
14 - Hispanic population percentage rank
7 - Asian population percentage rank
5 - White rate of growth rank
1 - Black rate of growth rank
1 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
11 - Asian rate of growth rank
1 - Total population rate of growth rank
Detroit
18 - White population percentage rank
1 - Black population percentage rank
13 - Hispanic population percentage rank
18 - Asian population percentage rank
18 - White rate of growth rank
18 - Black rate of growth rank
18 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
18 - Asian rate of growth rank
18 - Total population rate of growth rank
Cincinnati
8 - White population percentage rank
6 - Black population percentage rank
17 - Hispanic population percentage rank
17 - Asian population percentage rank
15 - White rate of growth rank
11 - Black rate of growth rank
4 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
17 - Asian rate of growth rank
15 - Total population rate of growth rank
Indianapolis
3 - White population percentage rank
14 - Black population percentage rank
11 - Hispanic population percentage rank
15 - Asian population percentage rank
8 - White rate of growth rank
3 - Black rate of growth rank
2 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
2 - Asian rate of growth rank
3 - Total population rate of growth rank
Chicago
9 - White population percentage rank
11 - Black population percentage rank
1 - Hispanic population percentage rank
5 - Asian population percentage rank
6 - White rate of growth rank
17 - Black rate of growth rank
17 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
14 - Asian rate of growth rank
12 - Total population rate of growth rank
Milwaukee
10 - White population percentage rank
9 - Black population percentage rank
4 - Hispanic population percentage rank
8 - Asian population percentage rank
11 - White rate of growth rank
4 - Black rate of growth rank
9 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
13 - Asian rate of growth rank
9 - Total population rate of growth rank
St. Louis
12 - White population percentage rank
5 - Black population percentage rank
16 - Hispanic population percentage rank
12 - Asian population percentage rank
9 - White rate of growth rank
14 - Black rate of growth rank
5 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
8 - Asian rate of growth rank
13 - Total population rate of growth rank
Minneapolis/St. Paul
2 - White population percentage rank
18 - Black population percentage rank
8 - Hispanic population percentage rank
2 - Asian population percentage rank
7 - White rate of growth rank
2 - Black rate of growth rank
11 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
16 - Asian rate of growth rank
8 - Total population rate of growth rank
Kansas City
5 - White population percentage rank
12 - Black population percentage rank
9 - Hispanic population percentage rank
13 - Asian population percentage rank
3 - White rate of growth rank
8 - Black rate of growth rank
7 - Hispanic rate of growth rank
6 - Asian rate of growth rank
Big difference - not all of us are white. There is a different situation re. assimilation and acceptance of immigrants if they're white versus those who are not white. Most people don't even know that Louis CK is Mexican or Hispanic.
But "whiteness" is a malleable concept. In the 2010 Census, 53.0% of Hispanics identified as white, 36.7% as "some other race", and 6% as "two or more races". Less than 5% identified as black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, Asian, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander combined. Notably, the white percentage grew at the expense of the "some other race" percentage versus 2000 (in 2000 it was 47.9% white, 42.2% "some other race"). In part that was because the 2010 Census made it more clear that Hispanic was an ethnicity and not a race, but still, I expect that as Hispanics assimilate and more of them intermarry with each native generation, fewer and fewer U.S. people with Hispanic heritage will identify as "some other race", with more identifying as "white" and maybe some more identifying as "two or more races". A few more may also identify as black (it went from 2.0% in 2000 to 2.5% in 2010), but I expect that to the extent these race categories are even used in future generations, the "non-whiteness" of any people with Hispanic heritage will mostly be attributed to some non-Hispanic ancestry.
It's probably not a large enough city. I don't think it has it's own metropolitan area. I think it's just part of NYC's.
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But "whiteness" is a malleable concept. In the 2010 Census, 53.0% of Hispanics identified as white, 36.7% as "some other race", and 6% as "two or more races".
I guess the ones who identified as "some other race" were descended from the indigenous groups that originally inhabited North and South America (rather than having European blood), but considered their ancestry to be different from that of Native Americans.
But "whiteness" is a malleable concept. In the 2010 Census, 53.0% of Hispanics identified as white, 36.7% as "some other race", and 6% as "two or more races". Less than 5% identified as black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, Asian, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander combined.
Hispanics - those who are pretty much white as well as those who are mixed (mulatto, mestizo) - have always tended to identify as white or at least as whiter than they are. It's the cultural conditioning that we have received over the years, the white supremacist notions that have always been inculcated in our people.
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. Notably, the white percentage grew at the expense of the "some other race" percentage versus 2000 (in 2000 it was 47.9% white, 42.2% "some other race"). In part that was because the 2010 Census made it more clear that Hispanic was an ethnicity and not a race, but still, I expect that as Hispanics assimilate and more of them intermarry with each native generation, fewer and fewer U.S. people with Hispanic heritage will identify as "some other race", with more identifying as "white" and maybe some more identifying as "two or more races". A few more may also identify as black (it went from 2.0% in 2000 to 2.5% in 2010), but I expect that to the extent these race categories are even used in future generations, the "non-whiteness" of any people with Hispanic heritage will mostly be attributed to some non-Hispanic ancestry.
The fact remains that more than half of Latin Americans are not white, i.e., they are mixed, indigenous or black.
It's probably not a large enough city. I don't think it has it's own metropolitan area. I think it's just part of NYC's.
I guess the ones who identified as "some other race" were descended from the indigenous groups that originally inhabited North and South America (rather than having European blood), but considered their ancestry to be different from that of Native Americans.
Anybody else have another theory?
Sometimes Latinos see themselves as triracial - black, white and Native, but really neither one exclusively - and just call themselves "other". Still others simply say they are of the one or two countries they originate in and eschew race.
But "whiteness" is a malleable concept. In the 2010 Census, 53.0% of Hispanics identified as white, 36.7% as "some other race", and 6% as "two or more races". Less than 5% identified as black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, Asian, or Hawaiian/Pacific Islander combined. Notably, the white percentage grew at the expense of the "some other race" percentage versus 2000 (in 2000 it was 47.9% white, 42.2% "some other race"). In part that was because the 2010 Census made it more clear that Hispanic was an ethnicity and not a race, but still, I expect that as Hispanics assimilate and more of them intermarry with each native generation, fewer and fewer U.S. people with Hispanic heritage will identify as "some other race", with more identifying as "white" and maybe some more identifying as "two or more races". A few more may also identify as black (it went from 2.0% in 2000 to 2.5% in 2010), but I expect that to the extent these race categories are even used in future generations, the "non-whiteness" of any people with Hispanic heritage will mostly be attributed to some non-Hispanic ancestry.
I've noticed on missing person ads in other cities that even many indgenous people will have their race shown as white even though they aren't "white" in appearance at all.
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