How would you describe Phoenix to someone who has never visited? (Chandler: credit, houses)

[SAN_Man]

Originally Posted by locolife

I can't imagine spending a decade somewhere I felt stranded and then coming online to brag about leaving such place. Which brings up the flip side of places like the Bay Area and Northeastern cities, the intellectual elements can be appealing but when taken too far (as it is in places like the bay) everyone becomes pompous, entitled, and stuck up. I work in the bay area quite a bit and cannot stand the snootiness and attitude everywhere. Pass for me. Okay to visit.

I can't stand that "smug" attitude either, also many of those people in the Bay moved there from somewhere else, displacing the locals that used to live there.

[SAN_Man]

Originally Posted by new2colo

Where’s the water coming from? Phoenix isn’t getting much more crowded than it already is without water.

The thought that a city can't grow without consuming more water is somewhat of a myth. The city of Los Angeles consumes less water today than it did 50 years ago, despite the population growing by 50%.
https://www.latimes.com/visuals/grap...htmlstory.html

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by SAN_Man

Phoenix–Mesa, AZ
Population: 3,629,114
Population density: 3,165.2

This is outdated information. The population of the Phoenix metro is 4,845,832 as of the 2020 census, and nearly 5 million in the latest estimates. Also, the 2022 population estimate shows Phoenix (city) at 1,759,940, remaining the nation's 5th largest. The city's density is 3,400, which is not much different than that of the largest Texas cities (see link below). But you're correct that L.A. is the densest metro area in the nation, which is kind of surprising considering that L.A. and its 'burbs grew/developed around freeways & sprawl.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

[locolife]

Originally Posted by SAN_Man

The thought that a city can't grow without consuming more water is somewhat of a myth. The city of Los Angeles consumes less water today than it did 50 years ago, despite the population growing by 50%.
https://www.latimes.com/visuals/grap...htmlstory.html

Spot on and Arizona/Phoenix is very much in the same boat and why wouldn't it be, arid southwestern cities/states have always had to manage water well and like LA, Arizona also uses less water now than 50-years ago (1970) when it had far less people than today. Phoenix area cities (much like LA from what I understand) started as farming communities and as it's grown homes have replaced fields of cotton and citrus, using far less water per acre. Compound that with more xeriscape, low flow fixtures in homes, water recycling, and other things and it continues to trend positive.

https://www.arizonawaterfacts.com/water-your-facts

Some other water facts.

• Arizona is currently below 1957 water usage levels due to increased conservation methods and the decrease in water used for agriculture.
• Arizona has five times (5x) more water stored than we use and has never mandated municipal or residential restrictions on uses throughout our state’s history.
• It is unfounded to group Arizona in with other Western and Mountain West states when it comes to the shortage along the Colorado River because we’re far less reliant than competitor markets.
• Only 36% of the Arizona water supply is provided by the Colorado River; Nevada is 100% reliant, its California’s predominant water supply at 60% and makes up 30-40% of Colorado’s.
• 93% of the water that enters the Greater Phoenix waste stream can be reclaimed and treated for potable use and this is a huge differentiator for us.

https://azbigmedia.com/business/here...-water-supply/

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

This is outdated information. The population of the Phoenix metro is 4,845,832 as of the 2020 census, and nearly 5 million in the latest estimates. Also, the 2022 population estimate shows Phoenix (city) at 1,759,940, remaining the nation's 5th largest. The city's density is 3,400, which is not much different than that of the largest Texas cities (see link below). But you're correct that L.A. is the densest metro area in the nation, which is kind of surprising considering that L.A. and its 'burbs grew/developed around freeways & sprawl.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

Yes and 14th on the CSA ranking with basically 4.9M people as of 2020 Census.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

[gemstone1]

"Only 36% of the Arizona water supply is provided by the Colorado River; Nevada is 100% reliant, its California’s predominant water supply at 60% and makes up 30-40% of Colorado’s."
Surely you're not implying the the entire state of Nevada is reliant on the Colorado river for it's water supply....

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by gemstone1

"Only 36% of the Arizona water supply is provided by the Colorado River; Nevada is 100% reliant, its California’s predominant water supply at 60% and makes up 30-40% of Colorado’s."
Surely you're not implying the the entire state of Nevada is reliant on the Colorado river for it's water supply....

Groundwater supplies 30% of NV water. But for the Southern part of the state, 90% comes from the Colorado River, accounting for the bulk of Nevada’s statewide allocation. Read all about it here https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/fi...fact-sheet.pdf

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by locolife

Spot on and Arizona/Phoenix is very much in the same boat and why wouldn't it be, arid southwestern cities/states have always had to manage water well and like LA, Arizona also uses less water now than 50-years ago (1970) when it had far less people than today. Phoenix area cities (much like LA from what I understand) started as farming communities and as it's grown homes have replaced fields of cotton and citrus, using far less water per acre. Compound that with more xeriscape, low flow fixtures in homes, water recycling, and other things and it continues to trend positive.

https://www.arizonawaterfacts.com/water-your-facts

Some other water facts.

• Arizona is currently below 1957 water usage levels due to increased conservation methods and the decrease in water used for agriculture.
• Arizona has five times (5x) more water stored than we use and has never mandated municipal or residential restrictions on uses throughout our state’s history.
• It is unfounded to group Arizona in with other Western and Mountain West states when it comes to the shortage along the Colorado River because we’re far less reliant than competitor markets.
• Only 36% of the Arizona water supply is provided by the Colorado River; Nevada is 100% reliant, its California’s predominant water supply at 60% and makes up 30-40% of Colorado’s.
• 93% of the water that enters the Greater Phoenix waste stream can be reclaimed and treated for potable use and this is a huge differentiator for us.

https://azbigmedia.com/business/here...-water-supply/

Las Vegas gets 90% of it's water from the Colorado River.
https://www.snwa.com/water-resources...ply/index.html

[PhureeKeeper]

Tons of restaurants to choose from. My boyfriend pointed out to me that the Phoenix area is one of the top spots for new chains to test the market before expanding.

Speaking of expanding. How about that sprawl? It takes me about an hour to drive from south Chandler to Anthem. I can't imagine living in San Tan Valley and commuting to downtown. First time visitors will probably be wowed by the wide streets.

[NearFantastica]

Originally Posted by Heidi60

I wasn't bragging, but sharing that many people make the wise choice to do better. Maybe the Bay Area is too competitive for some to make it in, or lack the desire to challenge themselves but life is more than watching cactus grow or the dust storms blow.

That "competitiveness" is just social conditioning by our culture and corporations who wish to control us, furthering greed and wealth inequality. This is one of the biggest problems in American society. It's all about competing and getting yours, screw everyone else. The working class and poor didn't compete hard enough and have no desire to challenge themselves? well sucks to be them, at least I'm doing well smh