Philadelphia 2035 (Wilson, Liberty: catholic schools, walkable, America)

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by steeps

Some are just saying.... If you build it THEY WILL COME. The Jersey Riverfront would be a pocket This being Right nest to the Ben Franklin and it for a view and Philly's evolving Skyline. With the Aquarium Compels to its south.......What's the Difference.... if in Center City or any Gentrified or if any Great Neighborhood in Philly.... CAN HAVE SOME BAD OR UNGENTRIFIED ONE AND BLOCKS.....A MERE BLOCK OR TWO AWAY? There can surely be on the Jersey side of the Riverfront, near Camden. A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD STARTING. With safe private living for its residents. Camden proper's heart is NOT MERELY NEXT STREET OR BLOCK.....

Tourist visit the AQUARIUM and Walk the Riverfront Daily. Gentrification or any improvements. Have to start somewhere. It reasons MOST WILL WORK ON THE PHILLY SIDE ANYWAY. A SHORT COMMUTE OR BIKE RIDE POSSIBLY....

New Industry is not coming first.... It isn't coming to Philly's neediest neighborhoods either.

Some here like to Praise improvements to Fishtown. I was never in that particular neighborhood. But Streetview360°s a great tool..... Has the Changes still Hit and miss. A few more years.... it can be most.

No on is saying any higher-end Mid-Rises right in Camden....... the Waterfront was already started with the Aquarium.... and land north of it cleared to Parking lots today.... The Crash killed the further investment. Like on the Philly side of the river. Trump's High-End development got cancelled BECAUSE OF THE CRASH. I think it would have been a BIG SUCESS TODAY if it did get built. A Casino there might have then spurred more....

Speculators deal with risk all the time. Some bets win big. Some sputter at first then SUCESS. I can't see a building NJ Riverside..... just totally bomb. !??????

How much time have you spent in Camden?

My best friend worked for the courts for over 30 years. In the winter when they left in the dusk or dark they were escorted in groups to the parking lots or PATCO by armed guards. This is not far from the latest big plans.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

How much time have you spent in Camden?

My best friend worked for the courts for over 30 years. In the winter when they left in the dusk or dark they were escorted in groups to the parking lots or PATCO by armed guards. This is not far from the latest big plans.

Who knows whether this latest scheme to help Camden will do anything? I actually hope something good happens. But, here's something else that won't help the viability of that project: the Riversharks are leaving and that means Campbell Field will be empty at least for a while. Another amenity that was probably meant to benefit the city is gone.

[thedirtypirate]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Who knows whether this latest scheme to help Camden will do anything? I actually hope something good happens. But, here's something else that won't help the viability of that project: the Riversharks are leaving and that means Campbell Field will be empty at least for a while. Another amenity that was probably meant to benefit the city is gone.

I agree. I think it is fascinating that Christie is finally coming to Camden after all these years and there are people willing to put up a lot of capitol to invest. Its almost like Christie wants something from all of us.... I actually don't really know how the Riversharks survived this long considering they aren't MLB affiliated! Good thing the city owns the stadium so it wont fall into disarray.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Who knows whether this latest scheme to help Camden will do anything? I actually hope something good happens. But, here's something else that won't help the viability of that project: the Riversharks are leaving and that means Campbell Field will be empty at least for a while. Another amenity that was probably meant to benefit the city is gone.

Its just disheartening that the same things keep happening decade after decade. There are people in small pockets who work or retired from working for the city who feel or felt that living in Camden was the right thing to do. Taking a smaller amount of money to rehab & enlarge those pockets would do more than sinking huge amounts into yet another waterfront project that will eventually fail because no one in his or her right mind wants to be there after dark.

I'm sick & tired of people coming on here & taking potshots at me for saying what is said openly in Camden County, including former residents of Camden & residents of Lawnside. I'm also sick of them trying to make me out to be a racist. Most of the population is black, white, & Puerto Rican. I have specified criminals. Criminals in Camden aren't all members of any one group, so, in my opinion, the people alluding that I'm a racist are the real racists. They are doing this on the safety of this board because they don't get a warm reception on the South Jersey board.

People in South Jersey are sick of it. Trenton sends little money to South Jersey. People are sick of that money being sunk in the same place doing the same things that have failed for decades. That's the definition of insanity.

Someone is sinking some money into Camden near Lady of Lourdes hospital. That makes sense. It will enlarge a decent area. That's how you fix Camden. I'd like it if they'd fix Camden but it's not happening with somebody dumping buckets of money at the waterfront. Until people get that through their heads it's a lost cause.

[rotodome]

I don't think the immediate or best solution for Camden is to try to bring jobs/industry to Camden. The solution is improving the transit connection to Center City.

The apt comparison for Camden is not "formerly run down neighborhoods in Brooklyn with skyline views" (as someone said earlier in this thread), it's Jersey City.
Jersey City capitalized on an easy rail one-stop rail connection to lower Manhattan. People moved there for that. and then service businesses followed, and further development spread from that initial foothold. Sure it has nice views of the skyline too, but without the convenient transit, a nice view isn't worth much.

Granted, CC could use some more jobs itself, as a lot people already live there just because it's a great place to live, and commute to work elsewhere. For this reason I don't think a ton of people are going to live in Camden for an easy commute to work. But adjacency to the buzz of CC is of great importance to developing its surrounding neighborhoods, and I think this is probably Camden's best bet.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by rotodome

I don't think the immediate or best solution for Camden is to try to bring jobs/industry to Camden. The solution is improving the transit connection to Center City.

The apt comparison for Camden is not "formerly run down neighborhoods in Brooklyn with skyline views" (as someone said earlier in this thread), it's Jersey City.
Jersey City capitalized on an easy rail one-stop rail connection to lower Manhattan. People moved there for that. and then service businesses followed, and further development spread from that initial foothold. Sure it has nice views of the skyline too, but without the convenient transit, a nice view isn't worth much.

Granted, CC could use some more jobs itself, as a lot people already live there just because it's a great place to live, and commute to work elsewhere. For this reason I don't think a ton of people are going to live in Camden for an easy commute to work. But adjacency to the buzz of CC is of great importance to developing its surrounding neighborhoods, and I think this is probably Camden's best bet.

There are 3 PATCO stops in Camden, City Hall, Broadway, & Ferry Ave. Ferry Ave is walking distance to Lourdes & spitting distance from Collingwood. It's not horrible. Money is going in there. They need to identify the other pockets that are decent & liveable & expand them. If they keep doing that they can make headway. They aren't going to get anywhere by putting up expensive buildings on the waterfront. Then there's the issue of the schools. . .

[phillies2011]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

I'd like it if they'd fix Camden but it's not happening with somebody dumping buckets of money at the waterfront. Until people get that through their heads it's a lost cause.

Jesus. You better contact Liberty Properties quick! They're going to waste all of this money! Those dummies probably have no idea what they're doing. I bet they never even researched their massive investment in anyway.

And yet, here you are, based on countless years spent as Camden as your county seat, as intimate a relationship as can be had between town and man, and you're totally sure their investment will fail. These Liberty people are idiots. If I was going to invest someplace the first thing I would do is send out the warning flares, alert everyone in the area that I'm looking for information and I need to talk to all people who have the experience of Camden being their county seat. That's how you get the real info. Also I'd look for anyone who can speak for the whites, the blacks, and the puerto ricans. These are the three key races that someone should be friends with in order to speak intelligently on any topic.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

Jesus. You better contact Liberty Properties quick! They're going to waste all of this money! Those dummies probably have no idea what they're doing. I bet they never even researched their massive investment in anyway.

And yet, here you are, based on countless years spent as Camden as your county seat, as intimate a relationship as can be had between town and man, and you're totally sure their investment will fail. These Liberty people are idiots. If I was going to invest someplace the first thing I would do is send out the warning flares, alert everyone in the area that I'm looking for information and I need to talk to all people who have the experience of Camden being their county seat. That's how you get the real info. Also I'd look for anyone who can speak for the whites, the blacks, and the puerto ricans. These are the three key races that someone should be friends with in order to speak intelligently on any topic.

Put me on ignore. You are obviously trying to pick a fight.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

Jesus. You better contact Liberty Properties quick! They're going to waste all of this money! Those dummies probably have no idea what they're doing. I bet they never even researched their massive investment in anyway.

It's still a big gamble. Carl Dranoff couldn't entirely make it work. Maybe they can.

[kidphilly]

Originally Posted by kyb01

It's still a big gamble. Carl Dranoff couldn't entirely make it work. Maybe they can.

this would be more commercial

still a big if and LPT generally doesnt do large towers without tenants lined up

to me I dont see anyone local large enough for the space unles they hae someone from out side but these would be nearly like the JC building in size and prominance from the other side