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Old 01-22-2015, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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You're obviously trying very hard to sell this fairytale to the public. How much were you paid to conjure up this cute story by the city's tourism & marketing department? A desperate folk, they are. Because this topic is by far in the Top 3 Silliest Topics posted on City-Data.com.
I've been to DTSA in the past year and was quite pleasantly surprised by the new bars and restaurants in a truly urban setting. This is what many people are looking for, that overall, OC lacks.

And we have gay friends who are wanting to move to Floral Park because it's becoming a new "gayborhood". But they can't quite afford it. 800K for a decent ranch house appears to be the norm in FP. There's even a gay bar in DTSA now. You know when the gays start moving in, the city is going somewhere (disclaimer: I'm gay!)

 
Old 01-22-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Orange County
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I've been to DTSA in the past year and was quite pleasantly surprised by the new bars and restaurants in a truly urban setting. This is what many people are looking for, that overall, OC lacks.

And we have gay friends who are wanting to move to Floral Park because it's becoming a new "gayborhood". But they can't quite afford it. 800K for a decent ranch house appears to be the norm in FP. There's even a gay bar in DTSA now. You know when the gays start moving in, the city is going somewhere (disclaimer: I'm gay!)
Santa Ana does have the largest Gay festival in OC!
 
Old 01-22-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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I've been to DTSA in the past year and was quite pleasantly surprised by the new bars and restaurants in a truly urban setting. This is what many people are looking for, that overall, OC lacks.
If you can't find bars and restaurants in an urban setting in most of OC, you don't get out much. Thats pretty much all it is...
 
Old 01-22-2015, 12:48 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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If you can't find bars and restaurants in an urban setting in most of OC, you don't get out much. Thats pretty much all it is...
You don't actually understand what urban means.

Buffalo Wild wings in your Lake forest strip mall it is not.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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If you can't find bars and restaurants in an urban setting in most of OC, you don't get out much. Thats pretty much all it is...
You can't be serious. Downtown Santa Ana is defacto the only urban setting in ALL of OC.

The rest of it is just dense suburbia, with a couple decent historic main streets (Fullerton, Huntington Beach, Old Town Orange, Old Town Tustin, San Clemente etc).

Laguna Beach probably has the best overall pedestrian atmosphere in OC, but that isn't urban either, not the way Santa Monica is.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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I've been to DTSA in the past year and was quite pleasantly surprised by the new bars and restaurants in a truly urban setting. This is what many people are looking for, that overall, OC lacks.

And we have gay friends who are wanting to move to Floral Park because it's becoming a new "gayborhood". But they can't quite afford it. 800K for a decent ranch house appears to be the norm in FP. There's even a gay bar in DTSA now. You know when the gays start moving in, the city is going somewhere (disclaimer: I'm gay!)
DTSA only has one gay bar, but all the establishments are pretty gay friendly, and I've seen gay/lesbian/***** couples at the Copper Door, Chapter One etc feeling pretty comfortable with each other. Something I have never seen in downtown Fullerton or Huntington Beach.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:34 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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You don't actually understand what urban means.

Buffalo Wild wings in your Lake forest strip mall it is not.
I don't think you understand the definition of "urban" and "suburban". The entire OC region could be considered a suburb of Los Angeles, especially since we are considered "greater Los Angeles". What makes downtown SA urban? Its the exact same thing as downtown Orange, HB etc...
 
Old 01-22-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Buena Park, Orange County, California
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I don't think you understand the definition of "urban" and "suburban". The entire OC region could be considered a suburb of Los Angeles, especially since we are considered "greater Los Angeles". What makes downtown SA urban? Its the exact same thing as downtown Orange, HB etc...
What differentiates DTSA from those is that is more than just a mainstreet, but several streets, in addition to high rise structures.

IMO, even though Santa Ana is more urban than those other cities, Long Beach offers the only other actual true downtown in the greater LA area after DTLA. Downtown Santa Ana is more like an urban neighborhood, but far from being a 'downtown' for all of OC, the way Long Beach is for the 562/gateway cities.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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What differentiates DTSA from those is that is more than just a mainstreet, but several streets, in addition to high rise structures.
So all a downtown area has to do is add a few more streets and a couple high-rises and it goes for suburban to urban? Thats one of the most absurd thing Ive ever heard. Ill take a nice restaurant or two by a beach over some restaurant or bar sandwiched into some faux downtown area with high-rises.
 
Old 01-22-2015, 06:33 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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So all a downtown area has to do is add a few more streets and a couple high-rises and it goes for suburban to urban? Thats one of the most absurd thing Ive ever heard. Ill take a nice restaurant or two by a beach over some restaurant or bar sandwiched into some faux downtown area with high-rises.
What you will "take" is completely irrelevant to what is urbanity. The thing you haven't quite come to terms with is that not everyone likes what you do.


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