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Where's your source? And how do you explain the documentation of the votes cast by each party? Imo, the democrats could no longer control/enslave blacks with chains, so they do so now with handouts and government dependence.
I don't remember learning this idea in school. (to be clear, we were taught that the Union was generally Republican, and the Confederacy was generally Democrat, but I don't remember hearing a reason) But I wasn't really into history until later in life, so I could have easily missed it. I heard this idea on a PBS documentary in the early/mid 2000s.
Wrnative, can you tell me the difference between socialism and the democratic party?
Socialism means different things in different places and in different times, but often includes state ownership of assets, such as utilities and natural resource extraction industries.
Bernie Sanders isn't much of a socialist by many definitions, but it is fascinating that a self-proclaimed socialist could get elected to the U.S. Senate.
O Brian is an idiot with most of his crap articles... The PD along with the media give Obama and Hilary a pass on most of their actions/ executive orders and never questions the bypassing of the constitutional process...
O'Brien certainly attacks Obama and Hillary on many of the issues apparently of concern to you. You also seem to be sympathetic to his views on climate change (see posts 49-60). So your derogatory comments about him are perplexing. Regardless of how you now label him, he's a right wing (but not "conservative" IMO) ideologue and the PD's deputy editorial page editor and featured columnist. Now you simply dismiss him in order to support your clearly factually inaccurate charge that the Plain Dealer "leans heavily liberal Democratic."
You totally ignored the fact that the Plain Dealer preponderantly endorses Republicans and ignores or minimizes their many transgressions, such as their egregious positions on environmental matters, unfortunately even here in Ohio on issues not directly related to climate change, such as the polluting of Lake Erie and the injections of radioactive fracking waste water.
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Also, Fitzgerald's incompetence and failure to follow the law pissed off so many people in Greater Cleveland, The Plain Dealer rightfully ripped him apart..that was an example of the people stating they don't want someone running their lives that can't run their own. IMO, we need to clean out more of these incompetent fools...
Ed Fitzgerald did an excellent job as Cuyahoga County Executive. The Plain Dealer ignored this during the general election campaign, concentrating instead on the contrived "car incident," and Fitzgerald's not having a driver's license for several years.
The Republicans violated state law by accessing DMV records and by leaking the information about Fitzgerald to the press. Persons were fired for similarly leaking illegally obtained information to Democratic Party operatives and to the press. The PD never pursued the illegal acts that were the source of their story.
What the PD ignored in endorsing Kasich is his gross gerrymandering of Ohio legislative seats; Kasich's poor stewardship of Lake Erie; Kasich's budget policies which penalized the middle class to benefit the wealthy, many of whom aren't even Ohio residents; JobsOhio; Kasich's unwillingness to debate Fitzgerald; and Kasicih's failure to maintain Cuyahoga County's lakeshore state parks, resulting in a large Metroparks tax levy increase as the parks were dumped back on Cuyahoga County, leaving a county with well over 10 percent of the state's population with no state park.
Most disturbing, the PD ignored the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike, which is a noose around the northern Ohio manufacturing economy that will slowly strangle it to death.
The PD has, to my knowledge, never done a story on the underwriting fees paid to investment banks in association with the debt raised due to JobsOhio and the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike.
At least in regard to Fitzgerald, an ex-FBI agent, I think you and others drank the PD's Kool-Aid.
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why does al Sharpton get to visit and be a guest of Barack Obama at the White House when he should be in jail for tax evation?me and you would be in jail for what he has done. this is just an example of how the liberal media sweeps it under the rug.and the media has distracted everyone this week with a dentist and Lion story, is this to make us forget about the Planned Parenthood tragedy that was exposed? just my thoughts.
Al Sharpton is a disgusting individual IMO.
Planned Parenthood is a large provider of birth control services, not just abortions. The Republicans oppose not only abortions, but also birth control, especially overseas despite the world's burgeoning population and starving populations that directly fuel groups such as ISIS.
Do you oppose birth control services, despite your stated desire to not pay for the children of persons "who make poor choices?"
You seem to believe that any news organization that isn't Fox News is heavily liberal and Democratic. As I've shown, this is ridiculous in the case of the PD.
As I said, Republican ideologues are consumed by a warped perception of reality and by paranoia.
O'Brien certainly attacks Obama and Hillary on many of the issues apparently of concern to you. You also seem to be sympathetic to his views on climate change (see posts 49-60). So your derogatory comments about him are perplexing. Regardless of how you now label him, he's a right wing (but not "conservative" IMO) ideologue and the PD's deputy editorial page editor and featured columnist. Now you simply dismiss him in order to support your clearly factually inaccurate charge that the Plain Dealer "leans heavily liberal Democratic."
You totally ignored the fact that the Plain Dealer preponderantly endorses Republicans and ignores or minimizes their many transgressions, such as their egregious positions on environmental matters, unfortunately even here in Ohio on issues not directly related to climate change, such as the polluting of Lake Erie and the injections of radioactive fracking waste water.
Ed Fitzgerald did an excellent job as Cuyahoga County Executive. The Plain Dealer ignored this during the general election campaign, concentrating instead on the contrived "car incident," and Fitzgerald's not having a driver's license for several years.
The Republicans violated state law by accessing DMV records and by leaking the information about Fitzgerald to the press. Persons were fired for similarly leaking illegally obtained information to Democratic Party operatives and to the press. The PD never pursued the illegal acts that were the source of their story.
What the PD ignored in endorsing Kasich is his gross gerrymandering of Ohio legislative seats; Kasich's poor stewardship of Lake Erie; Kasich's budget policies which penalized the middle class to benefit the wealthy, many of whom aren't even Ohio residents; JobsOhio; Kasich's unwillingness to debate Fitzgerald; and Kasicih's failure to maintain Cuyahoga County's lakeshore state parks, resulting in a large Metroparks tax levy increase as the parks were dumped back on Cuyahoga County, leaving a county with well over 10 percent of the state's population with no state park.
Most disturbing, the PD ignored the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike, which is a noose around the northern Ohio manufacturing economy that will slowly strangle it to death.
The PD has, to my knowledge, never done a story on the underwriting fees paid to investment banks in association with the debt raised due to JobsOhio and the leveraging of the Ohio Turnpike.
At least in regard to Fitzgerald, an ex-FBI agent, I think you and others drank the PD's Kool-Aid.
Al Sharpton is a disgusting individual IMO.
Planned Parenthood is a large provider of birth control services, not just abortions. The Republicans oppose not only abortions, but also birth control, especially overseas despite the world's burgeoning population and starving populations that directly fuel groups such as ISIS.
Do you oppose birth control services, despite your stated desire to not pay for the children of persons "who make poor choices?"
You seem to believe that any news organization that isn't Fox News is heavily liberal and Democratic. As I've shown, this is ridiculous in the case of the PD.
As I said, Republican ideologues are consumed by a warped perception of reality and by paranoia.
I don't oppose birth control. now you are putting words in my mouth. I said I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control. and I disagree with you, I hope Planned Parenthood gets defunded from federal taxpayer dollars. there are many other and more comprehensive places for women to go to get their prenatal care or whatever they need. doesn't Obamacare take care of the poor for free with vouchers? also, I lean more conservative but by no means am I happy with either party and the direction the country is currently headed. IMO that's why Donald Trump is currently so popular. He has tapped into an anger across America how this country is being destroyed by both parties failure to work together.. I'm so tired of the media, Democrats, and Republicans driving wedges between the American people.nothing ever gets done regarding reducing the deficit, improving higher education, creating jobs and a strong economy, immigration,etc.
I have a hypothetical question. based strictly on accomplishments in office, if Hillary Clintons name was Hilary Smith with no relation to bill, would anyone vote for her?
I don't oppose birth control. now you are putting words in my mouth. I said I don't agree with abortion as a method of birth control. and I disagree with you, I hope Planned Parenthood gets defunded from federal taxpayer dollars. there are many other and more comprehensive places for women to go to get their prenatal care or whatever they need. doesn't Obamacare take care of the poor for free with vouchers? also, I lean more conservative but by no means am I happy with either party and the direction the country is currently headed. IMO that's why Donald Trump is currently so popular. He has tapped into an anger across America how this country is being destroyed by both parties failure to work together.. I'm so tired of the media, Democrats, and Republicans driving wedges between the American people.nothing ever gets done regarding reducing the deficit, improving higher education, creating jobs and a strong economy, immigration,etc.
There are many problems with the Affordable Care Act, so many persons don't have medical coverage. Many of the problems are rooted in problems caused by lobbyists and championed by Republicans, such as high drug costs caused by a ban on federal negotiations with pharma companies to lower drug prices. Do you forget all of the Republican governors who have refused to extend Medicaid coverage? Kasich had to ignore and circumvent the wishes of his own party on this issue, and this is one of the big negatives about his candidacy among many Republicans.
"There are many other and more comprehensive places for women to get their prenatal care or whatever they need," you say.
Really, please give us some examples, particularly of those places that provide birth control counseling and aid to the poor.
If you can't provide these examples, it's just another example of inaccurate grand pronouncements on which many want to base policy.
The same persons who deny climate change and its dire consequences, even when it's repeatedly documented and explained to them (such as ocean acidification), also minimize the problems facing the poor in the country and indeed propose policies, such as eliminating birth control counseling, that will make things much worse.
I have a hypothetical question. based strictly on accomplishments in office, if Hillary Clintons name was Hilary Smith with no relation to bill, would anyone vote for her?
If she hadn't married Bill Clinton, she might have been more successful. He's a big part of her ball-and-chain.
Yet, who cares? She is married to him and IMO, it makes it unlikely she'll ever be elected President.
Many persons, even Democrats, don't want the Clintons back in the White House, and especially not Hillary.
There are many problems with the Affordable Care Act, so many persons don't have medical coverage. Many of the problems are rooted in problems caused by lobbyists and championed by Republicans, such as high drug costs caused by a ban on federal negotiations with pharma companies to lower drug prices. Do you forget all of the Republican governors who have refused to extend Medicaid coverage? Kasich had to ignore and circumvent the wishes of his own party on this issue, and this is one of the big negatives about his candidacy among many Republicans.
"There are many other and more comprehensive places for women to get their prenatal care or whatever they need," you say.
Really, please give us some examples, particularly of those places that provide birth control counseling and aid to the poor.
If you can't provide these examples, it's just another example of inaccurate grand pronouncements on which many want to base policy.
The same persons who deny climate change and its dire consequences, even when it's repeatedly documented and explained to them (such as ocean acidification), also minimize the problems facing the poor in the country and indeed propose policies, such as eliminating birth control counseling, that will make things much worse.
Sickening IMO.
Many problems with the Health Care Act is an understatement. considering Americans are forced to buy it. I was under the impression that it especially covered the poor with all their health care needs? anyway men and women can get all the free subsidized health care they need in Cuyahoga County. MetroHealth and children's Family Services of Cuyahoga County. actually in my opinion there was no need for the healthcare act in Cuyahoga County, maybe that comes with living in the Medical Capital of the World... I get the impression you think the Democratic Party is the only party so I won't try to change your mind. I personally vote for the best person in my interest regardless of party.something for you to think about,. if the Democrats are so great, why are the poorest cities and most violent per capita run by Democrats? regardless I am not here to argue about things we both can't prove only time will tell. you have your beliefs and I have mine. but like I said before, unless we find a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican, this country will continue to be divided.
[quote=1watertiger;40759934]Many problems with the Health Care Act is an understatement. considering Americans are forced to buy it. I was under the impression that it especially covered the poor with all their health care needs? anyway men and women can get all the free subsidized health care they need in Cuyahoga County. MetroHealth and children's Family Services of Cuyahoga County. actually in my opinion there was no need for the healthcare act in Cuyahoga County, maybe that comes with living in the Medical Capital of the World... I get the impression you think the Democratic Party is the only party so I won't try to change your mind. I personally vote for the best person in my interest regardless of party.something for you to think about,. if the Democrats are so great, why are the poorest cities and most violent per capita run by Democrats? regardless I am not here to argue about things we both can't prove only time will tell. you have your beliefs and I have mine. but like I said before, unless we find a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican, this country will continue to be divided.[/quote
Many persons don't live in Cleveland, and many persons in the Cleveland forum complain about the property taxes that support MetroHealth.
The Affordable Care Act was a vast improvement over what preceeded it for millions of Americans, especially those with pre-existing conditions, and the Republicans have never offered a solution to the nation's healthcare woes. Before ACA, many Americans were at the mercy of predatory health insurance companies. The Republicans vote to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but have never passed an alternative, even when they control Congress as they do today.
Candidly, I think you have very little understanding of the Affordable Care Act. Did you know if you make too little money, you aren't covered by it? In states where the Republican governors haven't extended Medicaid, millions remain unprotected. I don't think the Democrats ever imagined that Republicans would jeopardize their state's health systems on "principle" when the federal government was footing the tab. If Kasich hadn't done an end-around his own Republicans in Ohio, we would have the same problem and the Metro system likely would NOT be able to provide the services you find so comforting. Didn't you know that the Metro system relies greatly on Medicaid payments?
As for not proving anything, do you still maintain that the PD "leans heavily liberal Democratic?" LOL!!!
Why wouldn't poor persons vote for Democrats when Republican priorities include disenfranchising poor citizens (look at the egregious Ohio gerrymanders) and cutting taxes and services to benefit the wealthy as core priorities?
I don't think the Democrats are great, but the Republicans are simply corrupt. I can't support any party dominated by science deniers that are hell-bent on ravaging the environment. The Republican Party has been evolving into the party of greed for about the last two decades, and the result is scary. The Republicans also are a do nothing party. They can't even pass an immigration bill, and I'm far more opposed to our immigration laws as they exist today than most Republicans and certainly almost all Democrats. Many Republican money men want cheap labor and greatly support liberal immigration laws of one sort or the other.
More than we need a new party, we need candidates who aren't captives of the party system.
Based on all of your comments, it's clear that you voted for Kasich over Fitzgerald, so IMO there's no way you vote for the best candidates. As is evident in this thread, you didn't understand the issues, and fell hard for the baloney foisted on Cleveland by the "heavily liberal Democratic" (an IMO incomprehensible belief) Plain Dealer. I simply can't understand how anybody could call the PD a heavily liberal Democratic newspaper when it endorsed Kasich and almost all Republican state-wide candidates.
It's sad. If you truly live in Cleveland, you and others like you deserve to have your economy destroyed by the Kasich toll regime on the Ohio Turnpike and to have Lake Erie turned into a pool of green sludge every August.
WRnative, can you please describe to us the difference between the Socialist party and today's Democrat party?
I'm not interested in labels. I'm interested in policies. I have no use for persons who believe they can tag a label on a person or group of people and believe that they've said anything meaningful if they can't back it up objectively with an analysis of policies.
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