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I would also love to see an express train on the West End line when they get rid of the M train to Bensonhurst. i.e. the 7 train. the patteren would be coney island, bay 50th, 25th ave, bay parkway, 62nd st, 9th ave, and regular D service the rest of the way. I am just happy the D train dont have to wait at 20th ave, so the M can clear out of bay parkway.
You'll have to excuse your friendly local MTA tower operator for disagreeing with you on this, but ridership on the V line is not "very heavy," and has not been since the day it was inaugurated. However, nobody is going to lose the service, since the new pattern will have the M line replacing it in Queens.
That will certainly be a novel service pattern--a nearly complete circle from Metropolitan Avenue to Continental Avenue, taking in Queens Boulevard, Nassau Street and Broadway, Brooklyn.
The heavy ridership is on the V/R/G lines during rush hours is between 71st Ave/Continental & Roosevelt Avenue. During these times it is necessary to have either 2 subway lines or one subway line that runs twice as frequent.
Why do we need the S shuttle when 7 train works just as well?
Have you ever been on the S shuttle? That train is PACKED. It's much faster than the 7 which has a lot of people on it as well, and it's not a bad idea.
There is not any useless subway lines or stations, more need to be built.
If it hadn't been for the Great Depression, we might've had a much more extensive system than we do now!
The so-called "Phase Two," which was planned in the mid-1920s but scrapped after 1929, would have doubled the size of the IND. There was going to be a massive, six-track station in Williamsburg (very similar to the station at Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street in downtown Brooklyn) from which a variety of new lines would have fanned out across the borough. Incidentally, that station in Williamsburg was built; it exists even today. But your friendly local transit worker here isn't going to get any more specific than that.
If you ever wondered why the Bedford-Nostrand station on the G line has three tracks...that was to accommodate a planned line that would have crossed Brooklyn eastbound, come aboveground at Broadway, and connected to the existing M line out to Metropolitan Avenue.
Most people don't think about this, but the Utica Avenue station on the 4 and 5 lines in Brooklyn hasn't actually got an exit onto Utica. It was built that way to accommodate a subway line that was going to turn south along that street and run out to Flatlands.
Take an uptown N train out of 57 Street in Manhattan. If you look out of the windows on the right side of the train (facing in the direction it's moving), you'll see a ramp right next to the tracks as the train leaves the station. That ramp was roughed in to accommodate a new line that would have crossed Manhattan westbound, providing for a new service extending north of Columbus Circle. (Imagine if that short connection was built--we could have a line going from South Ferry to upper Manhattan or The Bronx by way of Central Park West!)
And that's not the full story. There's more; the original planners and engineers had imagination! They were actually some of the greatest urban transportation people who ever lived. Unfortunately, standards have lowered somewhat in the years since.
Most of these projects could be built, but it would take more commitment than presently exists.
Hmmm...interesting you brought that up. I believe earlier this year (or late 09 don't remember exactly) the MTA increased the 5 service to Flatbush so that it now runs during weekday off-peak hours instead of just rush hours, so apparently there's some kind of demand for it.
Personally I think the MTA should keep this one going. Yes the 5 does run on the same track as the 4 in Manhattan and Brooklyn up to Franklin, but don't forget that the 5 makes less stops than the 2 in Manhattan and it also runs express in Brooklyn up to Franklin (unlike the 2 which is all local). In addition, the 5 runs express service in the Bronx during Rush Hours up to East 180th (with some trains running on the 2 all the way to Nereid Ave/W Plains Rd) so you're talking saving commuters who travel from the Bronx (NE Bronx in particular) and Harlem to Downtown BK/Flatbush and vice versa a considerable amount of time by giving them a direct connection w/o the need to transfer, which will save the stress of having to squeeze onto a super crowed 2 or 4 train at 3rd Ave-149th or Grand Concourse.
The 5 needs to stay. The 4/6 trains would be so much worse during rush hour if it weren't for the 5.
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