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be. I keep reinterating that WPA which was heavily black also were steadfastly against the PNC.
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And now the WPA is with the PNC. Your point?
They don't like the PPP. You need to read what WPA activists like David Hinds and Roopnarine say about the PPP. These folks were beaten up by Burnham. They don't see the PPP as any less racist than the PNC was.
And yes to tie all of this back to the thread. Guyanese in NYC are DIVIDED by race. They don't live with each other, and the vast majority live very different and separate existences, scarcely sparing a thought for the other group.
Afro Guyanese relate to other black West Indians, not to Indo Guyanese. Indo Guyanese relate to other Indo Caribbean people, and not to Afro Guyanese. In fact it is even possible that Indo Caribbean people might even relate more to Spanish Caribbean people (the ones with straight hair) than they do to black West Indians.
And Burnham died 30 years ago so you look silly if you think that this situation is due only to him. Afro Guyanese had certain experiences under the PPP between 1956 and 1954 and since 1992 to not trust them, and by extension those who support them....Indians. And Indians feel likewise towards the PNC, and by extension blacks, based on their experiences between 1964 and 1992.
Did you go to college? Because your levels of comprehension are low. Is it is that your drinking of PPP soup has damaged your analytical capabilities?
Middle class people ARE NOT WEALTHY, which is why they call them MIDDLE CLASS.
In fact even as you deny that Guyana had black middle class since the late 19th century it is a noted fact that blacks in Guyana achieved upward mobility AHEAD of their equivalent in most parts of the Caribbean, with the partial exception of Trinidad. That dominance by the "brown man" and the tremendous psychological damage that this did to blacks, especially in Jamaica, isn't an issue as relevant to Guyana.
Teachers are middle class, as are nurses, clerical workers, police men and junior administrators, as well as skilled tradesmen. All fields which blacks began to dominate by the late 19th century as many sought to escape the poverty that they felt that engaging as peasant farmers and small scale traders had left them in.
Emphasis was on EDUCATION, and securing a "safe" job No different path from that taken by most blacks in the Americas in the face of blatant discrimination from the private sector. Their focus wasn't on wealth creation, but on social status, and being well regarded within their communities.
Now if you think blacks only entered those fields after 1966 you are either a LIAR, STUPID or both! The English didn't do it, and neither did the Chinese, or the Portuguese and the Indians certainly weren't doing it before the 50s. In fact it is when Indians began to encroach on occupational niches dominated by blacks is when the panic started by a people who already felt that unfair competition from the Portuguese is what made them fail as petty traders.
Even in Barbados the English didn't dominate those occupations, and the English actually wanted to live there. They had no interest in muddy, humid, mosquito infested and malaria ridden British Guiana.
Where in all your clouds of your rant screaming that blacks couldn't do anything before Burnham do you see any suggestion that blacks were involved in business?
In fact it was PRECISELY because their attempts at business were thwarted by the plantocracy which is the reason why they switched to the careers that I mentioned.
You however want to peddle the lie that blacks were a bunch of impoverished losers until Burnham arrived to save them.
Of course because you are one of those who swallows the bilge peddled by the PPP that Afro Guyanese have made no contribution to Guyana. And must also be blamed 100% for the practice of race based voting in Guyana, as you see when Indians blindly vote PPP they aren't also guilty of the same race based voting, for the same reasons as the blacks who vote blindly for the PNC.
You are a bundle of confusion. A substantial cadre of black professionals exists, both in Guyana, and among the Guyanese migrants overseas. So if you claim that there was no black middle class before Burnham then obviously you suggest that they thank Burnham for that.
So what is it? Did Burnham rescue black people, or did he destroy them? Can't be both.
Now in my opinion the mess of BOTH the PPP and the PNC is what has Guyana in this embarrassing situation today where even as you paint progress you indicate that Guyana is classified amongst the poorest nations in the Americas, countries like Honduras, Bolivia and Nicaragua. And within CARICOM, poorer than all except Haiti.
They got away with this because the ethnic distrust in Guyana has led Indian and African Guyanese to vote based on race instead of an ability to govern.
And if you think that Cheddi's communism wouldn't have landed Guyana in the same hole that Burnham's "cooperative socialism" did then you are a big fool, who ought to look at how Castro DESTROYED Cuba!
I think you need to check back in to school , because I said having the wealth as Portuguese and Chinese, no where in there did I say wealthy.
Name the notable middle class folks, I find it very strange that there was black Middle Class especially when most of the blacks in Guyana had to work Sugar Cane fields and other estates as extra labor,when the East Indians came in the demand for Afro-Guyanese field workers declined. Portuguese always owned the shops, this is why blacks rioted against them in the 1800s, there were semi clashes between blacks and Chinese in the 1800s too, being a liar is something you enjoy huh. Blacks were systematically kept from administrative and clerical jobs, only a few penetrated into that work sector. The administrative and civil jobs were dominated by people of European descent, then Chinese and some Portuguese. A Few East Indians and Blacks had those kind of jobs in Guyana but Indians were selected more.
It was very hard for blacks to come by shops too since they didn't have that kind of wealth.Remember Guyana calls itself the ''Land of Six Peoples'', so stop trying to manipulate the story to your liking, there were indeed many British whites in Guyana before the country's independence. They didn't want blacks amassing wealth from working as field workers on Sugar Cane fields,why would British bestow blacks with administrative and tradeskills to gain wealth? Blacks didn't get trade skills until like 40s and 50s but that was after every race in Guyana had it.
I never said Burnham saved any blacks, num nut, I said Burnham was the one who opened the door for some people who happened to blacks to have more government jobs not save em,its only natural when a dictator comes into power he dispenses his jobs to his cronies and partners-in-crime.. Administrative and civil jobs can only go so long, so how is bringing every black? When Burnham came into power many businesses were seized which were once owned by Whites and Chinese. This is why you see DIH,Mconnels and Bookers start to leave.
Burnham is the one polarized poltical parties into being race based, if it wasn't for him it wouldn't be that much problems based on race. Even the Amerindians revolted against Burnham,see the ''Rupununi Uprising''.
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There are very few Afro Guyanese in the Bronx. I am sure that you can find a Swede if you look, but that doesn't suggest that there is a sizeable Swedish population in The Bronx.
Afro Guyanese have very high levels of socialization with other Afro Caribbean people.
The Guyanese in The Bronx are mainly Indians, and the black West Indians are mainly from Jamaica, the Virgin Islands, and places like Antigua, St Kitts and Dominica.
That's false the Guyanese in the Bronx would lean more to being Afro Guyanese,where do you get your info from?
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Black Guyanese live in the same neighborhoods as other Blacks West Indians live. Indian Guyanese live with Indian Trinidadians.
Obviously these two groups don't think that they have much in common with each other. The ties which bind Indo and Afro Caribbean people in NYC are so fragile that on the rare moments when they do interact, this becomes a talking point.
Stop regurgitating what I said, and stand on your two, that's the problem with old timing Guyanese like you,yall want to live off some one elses work and try to take credit.
They don't like the PPP. You need to read what WPA activists like David Hinds and Roopnarine say about the PPP. These folks were beaten up by Burnham. They don't see the PPP as any less racist than the PNC was.
And yes to tie all of this back to the thread. Guyanese in NYC are DIVIDED by race. They don't live with each other, and the vast majority live very different and separate existences, scarcely sparing a thought for the other group.
Afro Guyanese relate to other black West Indians, not to Indo Guyanese. Indo Guyanese relate to other Indo Caribbean people, and not to Afro Guyanese. In fact it is even possible that Indo Caribbean people might even relate more to Spanish Caribbean people (the ones with straight hair) than they do to black West Indians.
And Burnham died 30 years ago so you look silly if you think that this situation is due only to him. Afro Guyanese had certain experiences under the PPP between 1956 and 1954 and since 1992 to not trust them, and by extension those who support them....Indians. And Indians feel likewise towards the PNC, and by extension blacks, based on their experiences between 1964 and 1992.
The WPA is has long splintered and the people claiming the WPA now are far different from the original WPA constituents.Did you just google that?A week ago old man, you were talking like the PNC was still in office. People like Eusi Kwayana ,Karen De Souza(who won a international award),Edward Rodney(brother of Walter Rodney) and others have denounced some of the current WPA works.
You unfortunately have limited views you can't tell from what I have seen,especially with businesss associates I have come across and some family I have dealt with.
LOL at Indians relating to Spanish Caribbean people, the ones with straight hair, you're joke for that comment, your credibility is out the window. You're insecure black who is just self hating and hates his own country.
The PPP was not in power from 54-56 you lunatic, Guyana was British Colony then,and everytime the Guyana colonial administration were working to become more autonomous from the British sway, Burnham would constantly run to the British administration to intervene into matters since he was always outvoted.
Did the PPP get sanctions enacted against them like Burnham did?Did the Amerindians rebel against the PPP dominated government like they did against the PNC and PPP? Are we seeing the influx of immigrants into Guyana like Koreans, Brazilians,Chinese,and a few Surimanese as we did under Burnham and PNC?hahaha.
And the thing is I am not much of PPP supporter but they did do a better job.
PPP is also opening up a case against the Walter Rodney administration.
Guyanese in the Bronx are a bit different from Brooklyn and Queens Guyanese. Across the street from me their is Afro-Guyanese woman who had her first child fathered by a Puerto Rican. In Queens and Brooklyn this this would be highly unlikely unlikely. Guyanese from the Bronx seen to date and marry out compared to Queens and Brooklyn types also Bronx have both Indo and afro Guyanese but intermix constantly with Hispanics, Caribbean and African Americans and even with ethnic whites. According to Wikipedia Guyanese are one of the main immigrants in the borough.
I know their Guyanese there, but I don't if they are on par with the Jamaican population there. The WI population in the Bronx is much smaller to that of other boroughs.
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Also I posted some stuff like Mami Wata or Watramani religious aspect,to negate ''Caribny''claim Guyanese or Afro-Guyanese have no culture,that dude is just self hating.
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Surely large numbers of them felt that they had been deserted and the Evil one had triumphed, while at the same time consoling one another with their universal certainty, "God deh." In Suriname in l956 Nana Kobina Nketsia of Ghana, said he had found a plant which he knew in Ghana. He held one of the kind as he spoke. He said that when he asked a Maroon the name of the plant, the man astonished him by saying, "God deddi, me deddi" (If God die, I die) the same name he knew it by in Ghana.
In the early seventies ASCRIA held a wake in Golden Fleece, West Coast Berbice so as to have the Weldaad drummers. The drummers drummed, and sang all night Africans songs, which they could not interpret, but remembered. They knew they were death songs. These are matters for the reparations account.
There are very few Afro Guyanese in the Bronx. I am sure that you can find a Swede if you look, but that doesn't suggest that there is a sizeable Swedish population in The Bronx.
Afro Guyanese have very high levels of socialization with other Afro Caribbean people.
The Guyanese in The Bronx are mainly Indians, and the black West Indians are mainly from Jamaica, the Virgin Islands, and places like Antigua, St Kitts and Dominica.
You don't visit the Bronx to often? North East Bronx is where you find afro Guyanese who love amongst African Americans and afro West Indians. Castle Hill has a sizeable but yet declining indo population. Often at times you might see Guyanese who live amongst Hispanic areas like mainly Dominican West Bronx West of the Grand concourse or on diverse Pelham Parkway area.
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And now the WPA is with the PNC. Your point?
They don't like the PPP. You need to read what WPA activists like David Hinds and Roopnarine say about the PPP. These folks were beaten up by Burnham. They don't see the PPP as any less racist than the PNC was.
And yes to tie all of this back to the thread. Guyanese in NYC are DIVIDED by race. They don't live with each other, and the vast majority live very different and separate existences, scarcely sparing a thought for the other group.
Afro Guyanese relate to other black West Indians, not to Indo Guyanese. Indo Guyanese relate to other Indo Caribbean people, and not to Afro Guyanese. In fact it is even possible that Indo Caribbean people might even relate more to Spanish Caribbean people (the ones with straight hair) than they do to black West Indians.
And Burnham died 30 years ago so you look silly if you think that this situation is due only to him. Afro Guyanese had certain experiences under the PPP between 1956 and 1954 and since 1992 to not trust them, and by extension those who support them....Indians. And Indians feel likewise towards the PNC, and by extension blacks, based on their experiences between 1964 and 1992.
Guyanese have an interesting history with the Spanish Caribbean. During world War 2 plenty of Puerto Rican were in Guyana then a British colony. US helped Britain protect the colony and sent thousands of Puerto Rican to establish military bases. Most notably Guyana main airport used to be a US airbase stationed by Puerto Ricans. My supervisor his uncle during world War 2 but was stationed in Guyana. Plenty of Puerto Ricans slept with Guyanese women and no doubt fathered kids for these women.
Later on Ideals of the Cuban Revolution spreader to Guyana. Guyana has a very close relationship with Cuba to this very day. I'm in Guyana right now. Most of its TV stations and American programming are from Puerto Rico. Can Guyanese relate with Hispanics? Culturally no but they are some similarities like in foods like ground provisions and flora and fauna. Me I look Hispanic, grew up amongst Hispanics so I relate better with Hispanics of PR, Cuba and Dr heritage than I do with Indo or afro Guyanese. Another thing is religion. If your Guyanese and Catholic you might might interact with Hispanics more more often than say a black who is Protestant, or an Indian Guyanese who is Hindu or Muslim. But I have always observed Guyanese in the Bronx to be different than does of Queens and Brooklyn. Even though Queens and Brooklyn are more diverse than the Bronx, ethnic neighborhoods tend to be segregated compared to the Bronx were people have to integrate.
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You don't visit the Bronx to often? North East Bronx is where you find afro Guyanese who love amongst African Americans and afro West Indians. Castle Hill has a sizeable but yet declining indo population. Often at times you might see Guyanese who live amongst Hispanic areas like mainly Dominican West Bronx West of the Grand concourse or on diverse Pelham Parkway area.
Guyanese have an interesting history with the Spanish Caribbean. During world War 2 plenty of Puerto Rican were in Guyana then a British colony. US helped Britain protect the colony and sent thousands of Puerto Rican to establish military bases. Most notably Guyana main airport used to be a US airbase stationed by Puerto Ricans. My supervisor his uncle during world War 2 but was stationed in Guyana. Plenty of Puerto Ricans slept with Guyanese women and no doubt fathered kids for these women.
Later on Ideals of the Cuban Revolution spreader to Guyana. Guyana has a very close relationship with Cuba to this very day. I'm in Guyana right now. Most of its TV stations and American programming are from Puerto Rico. Can Guyanese relate with Hispanics? Culturally no but they are some similarities like in foods like ground provisions and flora and fauna. Me I look Hispanic, grew up amongst Hispanics so I relate better with Hispanics of PR, Cuba and Dr heritage than I do with Indo or afro Guyanese. Another thing is religion. If your Guyanese and Catholic you might might interact with Hispanics more more often than say a black who is Protestant, or an Indian Guyanese who is Hindu or Muslim. But I have always observed Guyanese in the Bronx to be different than does of Queens and Brooklyn. Even though Queens and Brooklyn are more diverse than the Bronx, ethnic neighborhoods tend to be segregated compared to the Bronx were people have to integrate.
You don't say I never new Guyanese integrated with Puerto Ricans during WWII.I know the relationship between Cubans when they are overseas in training. I do know a noticeable amount of Guyanese and Cuban mixes.
But Guyanese of Amerindians descent and Guyanese living in the interior to the South ,share many cultural and culinary overlaps with Hispanic countries. This is especially true for Brazil, especially the Guyanese that live in Lethem have very good relations with them and they are alot of Guyanese and Brazilian mixes. And the Amerindians and buffianos in the Essequibo have many traveling back and forth to Venezuela. About 40,000 Guyanese immigrants are in Venezuela in a Guyanese community based town.
Also some aspects of the Antillean Caribbean have penetrated Guyana. Since back in the day many Lucian, Grenedan,and Dominquen immigrants came to Guyana. This is why some slangs like crappo were left over. Many Guyanese fishermen make their way to Cayenne for working purposes.
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Here are some more cultural traditions Caribny might be ignorant of, that is in Guyana.
Nansi Tori In Guyana.
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-It is also a part of the satirical tradition so well known in African societies and also serves as a means of social control, promoting values and being very critical of unacceptable behaviour, including sexual misconduct. Such traditions are outstanding contributions to Guyanese society which still makes use of techniques for social control including satire, theatre, speech events and performance traditions. This is undoubted African culture.
I think you need to check back in to school , because I said having the wealth as Portuguese and Chinese, no where in there did I say wealthy.
Name the notable middle class folks, I find it very strange that there was black Middle Class especially when most of the blacks in Guyana had to work Sugar Cane fields and other estates as extra labor,when the East Indians came in the demand for Afro-Guyanese field workers declined. Portuguese always owned the shops, this is why blacks rioted against them in the 1800s, there were semi clashes between blacks and Chinese in the 1800s too, being a liar is something you enjoy huh. Blacks were systematically kept from administrative and clerical jobs, only a few penetrated into that work sector. The administrative and civil jobs were dominated by people of European descent, then Chinese and some Portuguese. A Few East Indians and Blacks had those kind of jobs in Guyana but Indians were selected more.
It was very hard for blacks to come by shops too since they didn't have that kind of wealth.Remember Guyana calls itself the ''Land of Six Peoples'', so stop trying to manipulate the story to your liking, there were indeed many British whites in Guyana before the country's independence. They didn't want blacks amassing wealth from working as field workers on Sugar Cane fields,why would British bestow blacks with administrative and tradeskills to gain wealth? Blacks didn't get trade skills until like 40s and 50s but that was after every race in Guyana had it.
I never said Burnham saved any blacks, num nut, I said Burnham was the one who opened the door for some people who happened to blacks to have more government jobs not save em,its only natural when a dictator comes into power he dispenses his jobs to his cronies and partners-in-crime.. Administrative and civil jobs can only go so long, so how is bringing every black? When Burnham came into power many businesses were seized which were once owned by Whites and Chinese. This is why you see DIH,Mconnels and Bookers start to leave.
Burnham is the one polarized poltical parties into being race based, if it wasn't for him it wouldn't be that much problems based on race. Even the Amerindians revolted against Burnham,see the ''Rupununi Uprising''.
That's false the Guyanese in the Bronx would lean more to being Afro Guyanese,where do you get your info from?
Stop regurgitating what I said, and stand on your two, that's the problem with old timing Guyanese like you,yall want to live off some one elses work and try to take credit.
OK you are clearly a troll. You know nothing about Guyana.
A little boy like you knows NOTHING, except your desire to bash blacks as a bunch of losers who only were able to progress under Burnham.
Big mouth and no facts. Typical wind bag.
So Amerindians rioted against the PNC because it was racist. Quite likely they were, but when black people rioted against the PPP in the early 60s they also said that the PPP WAS RACIST. A black basher like you of course will excuse the behavior of one, and not of the other.
BTW your heroine "blue eye bougie" used to rant that the PPP was in office, but not in power in the early 60s because most of the lower and middle level civil servants were black! Jagan in his piece of drivel called the "West on Trial" claimed that blacks were spoiled poodles and it was the Indian who suffered the worst of British colonialism.
Those who wrote this are no friends of black people. Note when the police force was already black. Long before Forbes Burnham. Yes I deliberately picked something written by one of your PPP friends.
Another article written by your PPP friends, indicating that there were black lawyers, and that a black middle class existed sufficiently to be a threat to the white power structure.
More from your PPP friend. Note that he describes the reluctance of Indians to be taught by the AFRICAN teachers. This in the 19th and early 20th C.
You will not bash Afro Guyanese. A cadre of them struggled mightily through the dark days of colonialism, so do NOT need to grovel and thank Burnham. When you claim that a black middle class didnt exist before Burnham, and that blacks were mere scab work on sugar estates YOU ARE SAYING THAT HE SAVED black people. Which he certainly didnt.'
Indeed Burnham HIMSELF is a product of this African middle class, his father being a HEAD MASTER of one of the primary schools in G/town.
The WPA is has long splintered and the people claiming the WPA now are far different from the original WPA constituents.Did you just google that?A week ago old man, you were talking like the PNC was still in office. People like Eusi Kwayana ,Karen De Souza(who won a international award),Edward Rodney(brother of Walter Rodney) and others have denounced some of the current WPA works.
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I know their Guyanese there, but I don't if they are on par with the Jamaican population there. The WI population in the Bronx is much smaller to that of other boroughs.
The West Indian population in the Bronx has a very different configuration. Indo Guyanese live in areas described by bronxguyanese, and do have high levels of association with Caribbean Hispanics, at least among the younger folks. They can also be found among Jamaicans, but I dont see much evidence of mixing, beyond neighorly greetings.
Jamaicans DOMINATE the West Indian population in the Bronx the way that they DO NOT any where else. The Haitian, Bajan, and Afro Guyanese and Afro Trinidadian populations are very prominent in Brooklyn, and much less so in the Bronx.
Aside from Jamaicans the bulk of the black West Indians come from the north east Caribbean, islands like St Thomas, St Kitts, and Antigua, as well as Dominicans and St Lucians who arrived in NYC via the USVI.
I live in the Bronx and one day I went out with a Guyana T shirt and received frantic greetings from a few black Guyanese who didnt know that there were other black Guyanese living nearby. In addition I frequently get asked about why I live in the Bronx, so far from Brooklyn.
David Hinds was very much involved with teh WPA during the Rodney era as was Rupert Roopnarine. Even those like Eusi Kwyana who arent with the WPA now abhor the PPP. Both of them received ferocious beatings at the hands of Burnham's thugs. They both sit with the PNC because they see the PPP as corrupt and as fraudulent as the PNC was in the 70s and 80s.
De Freitas remains hostile to the PNC but she is no friend of the PPP, and much can be said about other activists like Andaiye.
Indeed the consensus among many of them was that if they knew that the PPP under Jagdeo will emerge as being as hostile as was the PNC under Burnham, they wouldnt have bothered.
Since you think Eusi credible yiun ought to know that he puts the 1961 disturbances as thye fault of the PPP, and describes a RACIST celebratory procession of PPP supporters who drove through black villages threatening to put black people back in slavery.
He blames the PNC and the UF for the disturbances of 62/63.
He blames the PPP for ths disturbances in 1964v when they (through GAWU and the PYO) deliberately sponsored violence to force the British govt to cancel the elections scheduled for 1964. He feared that a PNC UF alliance woulod result in his defeat, given that Indians were jnot the majority vote.
He also left the PPP when it became an Indocentric party. He left AFTER Burnham, but when he saw the increasingly Indian focus of the PPP he decided that he couldnt be a part of it.
You put 100% of the blame of racial politics on the PNC (supported by tyhe vast mnajority of blacks. He also puts blame on the PPP (supported by the bulk of the Indians).
Eusi was around in the early 60s. I was a little boy, and from your childish rants you werent even born. So I defer to Eusi. He didnt like Burnham and became quickly hostile to the PNC, so if he says that the PNC was only PARTIALLY to blame, and that the PPP shares some of this too, I BELIEVE him.
OK you are clearly a troll. You know nothing about Guyana.
A little boy like you knows NOTHING, except your desire to bash blacks as a bunch of losers who only were able to progress under Burnham.
Big mouth and no facts. Typical wind bag.
So Amerindians rioted against the PNC because it was racist. Quite likely they were, but when black people rioted against the PPP in the early 60s they also said that the PPP WAS RACIST. A black basher like you of course will excuse the behavior of one, and not of the other.
BTW your heroine "blue eye bougie" used to rant that the PPP was in office, but not in power in the early 60s because most of the lower and middle level civil servants were black! Jagan in his piece of drivel called the "West on Trial" claimed that blacks were spoiled poodles and it was the Indian who suffered the worst of British colonialism.
Those who wrote this are no friends of black people. Note when the police force was already black. Long before Forbes Burnham. Yes I deliberately picked something written by one of your PPP friends.
Another article written by your PPP friends, indicating that there were black lawyers, and that a black middle class existed sufficiently to be a threat to the white power structure.
More from your PPP friend. Note that he describes the reluctance of Indians to be taught by the AFRICAN teachers. This in the 19th and early 20th C.
You will not bash Afro Guyanese. A cadre of them struggled mightily through the dark days of colonialism, so do NOT need to grovel and thank Burnham. When you claim that a black middle class didnt exist before Burnham, and that blacks were mere scab work on sugar estates YOU ARE SAYING THAT HE SAVED black people. Which he certainly didnt.'
Indeed Burnham HIMSELF is a product of this African middle class, his father being a HEAD MASTER of one of the primary schools in G/town.
And this written by an Afro Guyanese who describes Guyana TODAY!
So this is why Indo and Afro Guyanese do not live or socialize in NYC. They are distinct communities with a history of distrust of each other.
Listen I don't want to hear raves and rants ,because your mad you are black and are self hater.
The Police Force In Guyana did have some blacks but it also had many British on it, so your references mean nothing. And the ethnic composition of the Defense Force meant nothing in the colonial era because the Commanding officers were all of White British Descent.
Before the 1891 election, there were 18 representatives in the two Colleges of the Court of Policy. They included 13 Europeans, 4 Coloureds and only one African, William Smith, a Georgetown merchant who was also the first African to become a member of the Guyana legislature. In the 1891 elections, no African was elected, and only two Coloureds won seats.
Your meager attempt about the education system means nothing, during the 1800s many East Indians lived adjacent to blacks so they weren't secluded, it doesn't prove that the Teacher force was completely black it just means there were natually going to be black teachers in the predominantly black villages some Indians lived in. Your own article said Indians just choose their kids to work rather than go to school so the answer was that simple, stop race baiting.
However, the real story was that many of the Indian parents kept away their children from schools so that could earn money doing jobs on the plantations.
Indians also didn't partake in voting during the late 19th century because they were concerned with other matters.
Despite the lowering of the franchise qualifications, very few Indians registered as voters. In 1911, of a total Indian population of 126,517, only 251 were on the voters' list. The situation did not improve very much two years later when just about six percent of adult Indians were registered as voters. The cause of this was generally an ignorance of the English language in which the registration papers were printed.
And I never said blacks were confined to ''Sugar Estates'',those were Indian tasks as a matter of factly. Why would I said blacks did not consume the Civil Service jobs until Burnham came into power. I never said he greatly educated them either, but see you want to project that, you want to make it seem like Indians took away all the Civil Service jobs like being Police Officers,Medical Workers,and Teachers,well guess in the PPP government blacks still hold those positions today.
In fact blacks were slowly ousted off of Sugar Estate and other farming jobs because Indians were more preferred to work these fields.Blacks were more of factory workers, fisherman,porkknockers,and servant jobs. Blacks didn't really make a huge industry for farming in Guyana, they just depended toiled their land in the ''Backdam''.
This snippet lets you know prior to Burnham on how Indians and Blacks have rioted against the British Dominated Colonial Government.
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...By the next day, workers at the other Georgetown wharves joined the strike in solidarity and also demanded higher wages from their employers...
The rioting took on a racial overtone when the crowd stopped horse-carriages carrying persons of European descent. These persons, who were seen by the rioters as closely associated with the owners of the wharves and other businesses, were roughed up and robbed by the hooligans who also threw stones and bottles at the carriages that refused to stop. Some other persons, including three magistrates and Attorney General Sir T. C. Rainer, were also chased and beaten by the hooligans. Later in the afternoon, the rioters moved along Main and High Streets and attacked and looted the homes of Europeans. The police, in an effort to disperse the rioters and looters, opened fire, but this did not prevent them from moving to other areas to carry out further mischief.
The riots spread to the area around the Public Buildings where two persons were shot dead by the police. By the end of the day, 8 rioters were shot dead by the police, and about 30 others suffered bullet wounds. Many police men were also injured when they were attacked by the rioters. By this time, the police had, to a certain extent, taken control of the streets and had arrested many persons.
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The West Indian population in the Bronx has a very different configuration. Indo Guyanese live in areas described by bronxguyanese, and do have high levels of association with Caribbean Hispanics, at least among the younger folks. They can also be found among Jamaicans, but I dont see much evidence of mixing, beyond neighorly greetings.
Jamaicans DOMINATE the West Indian population in the Bronx the way that they DO NOT any where else. The Haitian, Bajan, and Afro Guyanese and Afro Trinidadian populations are very prominent in Brooklyn, and much less so in the Bronx.
Aside from Jamaicans the bulk of the black West Indians come from the north east Caribbean, islands like St Thomas, St Kitts, and Antigua, as well as Dominicans and St Lucians who arrived in NYC via the USVI.
I live in the Bronx and one day I went out with a Guyana T shirt and received frantic greetings from a few black Guyanese who didnt know that there were other black Guyanese living nearby. In addition I frequently get asked about why I live in the Bronx, so far from Brooklyn.
David Hinds was very much involved with teh WPA during the Rodney era as was Rupert Roopnarine. Even those like Eusi Kwyana who arent with the WPA now abhor the PPP. Both of them received ferocious beatings at the hands of Burnham's thugs. They both sit with the PNC because they see the PPP as corrupt and as fraudulent as the PNC was in the 70s and 80s.
De Freitas remains hostile to the PNC but she is no friend of the PPP, and much can be said about other activists like Andaiye.
Indeed the consensus among many of them was that if they knew that the PPP under Jagdeo will emerge as being as hostile as was the PNC under Burnham, they wouldnt have bothered.
Since you think Eusi credible yiun ought to know that he puts the 1961 disturbances as thye fault of the PPP, and describes a RACIST celebratory procession of PPP supporters who drove through black villages threatening to put black people back in slavery.
He blames the PNC and the UF for the disturbances of 62/63.
He blames the PPP for ths disturbances in 1964v when they (through GAWU and the PYO) deliberately sponsored violence to force the British govt to cancel the elections scheduled for 1964. He feared that a PNC UF alliance woulod result in his defeat, given that Indians were jnot the majority vote.
You put 100% of the blame of racial politics on the PNC (supported by tyhe vast mnajority of blacks. He also puts blame on the PPP (supported by the bulk of the Indians).
Eusi was around in the early 60s. I was a little boy, and from your childish rants you werent even born. So I defer to Eusi. He didnt like Burnham and became quickly hostile to the PNC, so if he says that the PNC was only PARTIALLY to blame, and that the PPP shares some of this too, I BELIEVE him.
Don't play stupid with me , I told you which communities Indo-Caribbeans lived in NYC before ''BronxGuyanese'' made a mention of it.
Also the bulk of West Indians in the Bronx are Jamaicans but Guyanese are running a close 2nd for the bulk of the West Indian population. As ''BronxGuyanese'' said, you aren't familiar with the Bronx so no worries.
David Hinds and Roopnarine are menial figures for the WPA. And Eusi Kwayna has not worked for the APNU or PNC, what did i tell you about jocking any ol person. This is sounds like your dumb claim of Indian Guyanese relating to Spanish people because they both have straight hair.
Many former WPA members don't really like the PPP nor can they stand the PNC, what part don't you understand they are not some dependent unloyal hoes like you who can stand their own ground and make a lane for themselves.
The PNC and UF did have a brief alliance, but the back lash of the Indians rioting come from the constant attack of Burnham thugs. Again you don't hear, Jagan never threatened his fellow PPP associates as devilishly as Burnham did to his partymates like Eusi Kwayna and John Carter of the UDP. Jagan or Jagedo didn't hire foreign thugs to come into Guyana and be a sanctioned terrorist group like the House of Israel.
In either case the UF eventually became bitter enemies with the PNC.I put most of the blame on the PNC because, the PPP are known to cater to Indian needs first given PARTY'S background,the PNC are mostly black and have treated blacks like crap even in Power. And have killed on the behest of the PPP,they are a joke. Not to mention the mashed up Guyana worse than the PPP did, at least no PPP is in power Guyana isn't as poor as it once was. PNC inherited a rich country and made it into a poor one.
Once again I am not a PPP member or supporter so get over it, you are one of these raving under cover PNC members, cause if you weren't PNC you won't care what I say about them. Saying Burnham was in power 30 years ago so that doesn't matter is like saying that blacks in the US were under Jim Crow in the US 50 years ago, so it means nothing.That is illogical.
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1. Until recently adjusted none of Guyana’s ambassadors were Afro-Guyanese.
2. Until recently none of the heads of state agencies were Afro-Guyanese.
The Commisioner of the GDF ,Greene was black. New Amsterdam and Linden had Black mayors as so does Georgetown. Anyway there may be some truths to that article, but that dude is definitely using some bias.
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