Star Wars The Last Jedi (picture, screen, character, 3D)

[stan4]

The problem with the prequel trilogy was not story. It actually has the best story. The most intricate and complicated and interesting story.

It suffered bc of poor execution. Poor production. Poor casting. Zero charisma. It's really a shame.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by stan4

The problem with the prequel trilogy was not story. It actually has the best story. The most intricate and complicated and interesting story.

It suffered bc of poor execution. Poor production. Poor casting. Zero charisma. It's really a shame.

The story was predictable and oftimes silly. The PT was made for kids. That's not a theory, it's a fact.

[stan4]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

The story was predictable and oftimes silly. The PT was made for kids. That's not a theory, it's a fact.

You know the story? The whole story?

You've read the books, watched all the Clone Wars, Rebels, etc?

And you think the original trilogy is a richer, more complex, and better story line?

There was literally no depth to the original trilogy. There was a lot of good movie making there. And I love the original trilogy. The casting and the characters are unparalleled.
But there was no depth to that story. Just bad guys and good guys and boom boom.

I know it's cool for people to hate the prequel. But everything that happened before Episode IV was actually quite bad-ass.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by stan4

You know the story? The whole story?

You've read the books, watched all the Clone Wars, Rebels, etc?

And you think the original trilogy is a richer, more complex, and better story line?

There was literally no depth to the original trilogy. There was a lot of good movie making there. And I love the original trilogy. The casting and the characters are unparalleled.
But there was no depth to that story. Just bad guys and good guys and boom boom.

I know it's cool for people to hate the prequel. But everything that happened before Episode IV was actually quite bad-ass.

No, I've not watched those shows, nor read those books. Nor do I intend to.

I thought we talking about the three movies that add up to the PT aka Prequel Trilogy. Maybe there's an all-encompassing Star Wars thread elsewhere on this site for that other stuff.

I disagree that the PT's storyline is "so much better" than the OT's, especially with all the recycling that went on, not to mention the addition of many unnecessary (read: silly) elements.

The '77 movie is still the best one.

[Mark S.]

The prequels had the potential to be much deeper with lots of political, psychological, moral, and spiritual nuance --- much moreso than the original trilogy, which was a straight up Good vs. Evil story. The problem is that the potential was never realized.

Lucas has many gifts as a visionary and film maker. But he cannot write. His ear is dead to dialogue, and subtext is beyond his skills. He should have done exactly what he did with EMPIRE and JEDI: Concept it, then hand it off to someone with some writing skills. The prequels should have been the GODFATHER of space opera movies. Instead, they were a live-action cartoon with occasional moments of brilliant spectacle --- and one of the best sword duels ever put to screen.

If I had to sum up the prequels, it would be: Missed opportunity.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

The '77 movie is still the best one.

Yup. STAR WARS is one of the most brilliantly paced and edited motion pictures of all time. There is not a wasted scene.

[stan4]

I guess I have a hard time thinking of Star Wars as merely the sum of 8 movies.

There's so much more going on and other actual good story telling that you seriously miss out if you don't read.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by stan4

There's so much more going on and other actual good story telling that you seriously miss out if you don't read.

I have tried reading some of the novels. Couldn't get into them. Even when the story wasn't half-bad, the writing was real bad.

I couldn't get in to CLONE WARS or REBELS because the animation is so horrible. Maybe if I just listened to it?

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

I couldn't get in to CLONE WARS or REBELS because the animation is so horrible. Maybe if I just listened to it?

The animation isn't "horrible," it's deliberately stylistic.


But the story arcs are significant parts of the current Disney canon. "Rebels," for instance, ties in at a lot of points to Rogue One and A New Hope.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

The animation isn't "horrible," it's deliberately stylistic.

It deliberately looks like a bad CGI attempt to replicate puppets a la Thunderbirds. I'd much rather see a decent 2D cartoon than bad 3D computer animation. Some of the early REBELS episodes almost looked claymation.