Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: infested, rent, eviction)

[redplum33]

Direct Link to video: https://www.tiktok.com/@mannat.arya/...87536831139078


Yeah, it's not the college kids.

[porterhouse]

https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/...ting-dashboard

[Boston Shudra]

Ah yes. Tiktok. The news source..

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by id77

Basically this. Everyone screaming for more action: what action do you think is realistic? In a society that prides itself on disobedience, anything that expects us to do better is already doomed to failure.

Stopping the spread of infection was never the plan. Slowing it a little, yes, and that’s been done. Now we’re at the part where we ride through this until herd immunity. Hundreds of thousands more will die before we’re done, but most of what can realistically be done has been done. It’s just tweaking things here and there to keep the ICUs from overflowing.

There are no options on the table where this goes away soon.

This is nonsense. Turn back all the reopening phases. All schools (and colleges) are remote. Only essential businesses can be open. Restaurants are takeout and delivery only. Instructions to stay home if it's not essential. You know, just like it had been.

It worked before, and the curve was indeed flattened. Even with a lot of stuff being reopened, we were still relatively fine. Everything fell apart when the schools and colleges reopened. That's the reality. Those dashboards are controlled by businesses with a major financial interest and there's no oversight. In other words, they can't be trusted.

[redplum33]

Just under 84k new cases in the US on Friday. The highest amount ever.

[id77]

Originally Posted by redplum33

This is nonsense. Turn back all the reopening phases. All schools (and colleges) are remote. Only essential businesses can be open. Restaurants are takeout and delivery only. Instructions to stay home if it's not essential. You know, just like it had been.

It worked before, and the curve was indeed flattened. Even with a lot of stuff being reopened, we were still relatively fine. Everything fell apart when the schools and colleges reopened. That's the reality. Those dashboards are controlled by businesses with a major financial interest and there's no oversight. In other words, they can't be trusted.

If you think people will respond to a second shutdown the same way they did in March, you've been isolated so long you forgot how Americans think. Many are still hurting from the impact of the first shutdowns, and are not going to respond well to being told to do it all over again. This action would drive people into the anti-masker and noncompliance camps in droves.

Like I said last week, go ahead and shut down the restaurants so you can watch people gather somewhere else instead. Look back to Prohibition to see how far people will go to not comply with something they don't like anymore.

[BostonMike7]

With viral poop loads at or exceeding March levels, and given the accessibility of testing now, vs then, I wonder if asymptomatic (or very minor symptom) spread is far more prevalent than we thought.


I don’t really get a sense of any urgency with the general public. Outside of C-D and maybe a few friends in my circle, many people I talk to are completely unaware cases are climbing back up.

[bohemka]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

With viral poop loads at or exceeding March levels, and given the accessibility of testing now, vs then, I wonder if asymptomatic (or very minor symptom) spread is far more prevalent than we thought.


I don’t really get a sense of any urgency with the general public. Outside of C-D and maybe a few friends in my circle, many people I talk to are unaware cases are climbing back up.

Our town flipped from green to red, and people are definitely talking about it. I don't see it affecting easily observable behavior, but people are well aware we're heading in the wrong direction.

I'll admit I'm dense to many subjects and sources of information, but I don't understand the wastewater testing data at all. I haven't seen that measured before (though it obviously has been), and I don't know what the graphs are supposed to tell me. How do we know it's not just a few dozen infected McDonald's bingers who are continuously evacuating their bowels?

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by BostonMike7

With viral poop loads at or exceeding March levels, and given the accessibility of testing now, vs then, I wonder if asymptomatic (or very minor symptom) spread is far more prevalent than we thought.


I don’t really get a sense of any urgency with the general public. Outside of C-D and maybe a few friends in my circle, many people I talk to are completely unaware cases are climbing back up.

I would agree with this. In fact, our workplace is making plans for the "return to office" phase. And I'm wondering whether I should make the decision-makers aware of the what's going on (e.g. 4 --> 63 red communities in a short time). Not sure I would reopen while we're still on the upslope.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by id77

If you think people will respond to a second shutdown the same way they did in March, you've been isolated so long you forgot how Americans think. Many are still hurting from the impact of the first shutdowns, and are not going to respond well to being told to do it all over again. This action would drive people into the anti-masker and noncompliance camps in droves.

Like I said last week, go ahead and shut down the restaurants so you can watch people gather somewhere else instead. Look back to Prohibition to see how far people will go to not comply with something they don't like anymore.

I don't think people would respond well. As I said earlier in the thread, people were burning masks in the streets of NYC when 9 zip codes recently got shutdown. That reaction was short lived, though.

And you're correct that some people would go out of their way to not comply, but those people would be the small minority. Overall, we'd be in a far better place than we are now...and that's a fact.