Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: weekly, homes, neighborhoods)

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

ok dude. you have never once actually engaged with anything I've posted. I do not know why you are so desperate to view everything so negatively. We have good news all around us and people here continue to prefer wallowing at home.

just curious, do you follow europe at all?

Have you paused and considered that perhaps you also have a bias in the opposite direction?

I've reviewed plenty of data and, while there's room for optimism, it's hardly as certain as you portray. Hospitalizations are up in states with significant surges in case and there with be a 2-4 week lag to see whether these newer hospitalizations net better outcomes or maintain current IFR expectations.

[mdovell]

I think there can be a good argument of the differences of having it, spreading it and dying from it.

The issue now is that frankly in other parts of the US there were those that though that summer weather or sunny days would somehow kill the virus. That isn't true, not by a long shot. When we see people like Bill Baker (still alive? seriously that guy was a joke 30 years ago) selling products that kill it with no validity.

The problem might not so much be internal but also external. If the south and southwest have lax policies that allow covid to spread it can lead to the EU and other countries cutting off travel to and from the US regardless of the number of cases in the state. If the actions of these states lead to fewer international students go to academia in the northeast then it becomes a larger issue. I don't think we can convince India, China, France etc that flights from NYC are safe but Miami isn't etc.

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

ok dude. you have never once actually engaged with anything I've posted. I do not know why you are so desperate to view everything so negatively. We have good news all around us and people here continue to prefer wallowing at home.

just curious, do you follow europe at all?

I definitely follow Europe. Their daily rate has come way down, the US was coming down and has now taken an U-turn back up (see the link below). So much so that they're thinking of banning the US visitors from going there (how embarassing). Europeans' behavior and response to this has been totally different from what we're seeing in the US. So what's the point? Do you see the US being able to follow the EU curve? Please tell me what good news you're seeing here, that we're not.

https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graph...emics-eu-vs-us

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

Have you paused and considered that perhaps you also have a bias in the opposite direction?

I've reviewed plenty of data and, while there's room for optimism, it's hardly as certain as you portray. Hospitalizations are up in states with significant surges in case and there with be a 2-4 week lag to see whether these newer hospitalizations net better outcomes or maintain current IFR expectations.

I don't see how it can NOT be viewed optimistically. Again, the reality is why won't be able to properly assess for years when the data can be normalized and properly crunched, address demographic differences. In addition, corrections, or more so, adjustments will be need to be made for vastly improved treatment protocols now compared to the states where it hit early. One would think that death rates will be considerably lower in FL, AZ, etc due to the knowledge learned in MA, NY, OR, etc.

[mdovell]

One would think that but the difference is kinda striking. If we want things to get back to normal we should at least try to treat things the same way. Health should not be political. Since covid I cook much more. I have a serv safe certification. They don't really debate things like the cooking of meats or eggs. We know what is safe and what isn't. Can you be OK eating undercooked food? Maybe but is it a risk worth taking? Probably not, especially if you are serving other people.

We need to nail this down. I don't think social distancing will be easier in the fall and winter.

[Bridge781]

Originally Posted by mdovell

One would think that but the difference is kinda striking. If we want things to get back to normal we should at least try to treat things the same way. Health should not be political. Since covid I cook much more. I have a serv safe certification. They don't really debate things like the cooking of meats or eggs. We know what is safe and what isn't. Can you be OK eating undercooked food? Maybe but is it a risk worth taking? Probably not, especially if you are serving other people.

We need to nail this down. I don't think social distancing will be easier in the fall and winter.

Unless more and more people are back to work taking the train. Also school will be in session. More exposure to others with pickups/drop offs not to mention daycare. Also sports for kids may be back in the fall. I already see some summer leagues for kids.

Santa’s village opens on July 1. Not sure why anyone would want to go there at a time like this.

[NewfieMama]

Originally Posted by Bridge781

Unless more and more people are back to work taking the train. Also school will be in session. More exposure to others with pickups/drop offs not to mention daycare. Also sports for kids may be back in the fall. I already see some summer leagues for kids.

Santa’s village opens on July 1. Not sure why anyone would want to go there at a time like this.

We usually go to Santa's Village over Thanksgiving break. It can get pretty cold, so I'd probably rather go in summer so long as it's not too hot.

We're going to Hershey Park later this summer, my kids are excited to go, but they love amusement parks. You have to reserve the day you are going so the park doesn't get too full, so I'm looking forward to not waiting in long lines.

[redplum33]

Robert Redfield, the head of the CDC, said:

"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that’s reported, there actually are 10 other infections.”

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by Bridge781

Santa’s village opens on July 1. Not sure why anyone would want to go there at a time like this.

Because feeding reindeer is awesome!

[redplum33]

What we're seeing is behavior based. People aren't acting responsibly.


Virus cases surge among the young, endangering older adults


"In Oxford, Mississippi, summer fraternity parties sparked outbreaks. In Oklahoma City, church activities, fitness classes, weddings and funerals seeded infections among people in their 20s, 30s and 40s. In Iowa college towns, surges followed the reopening of bars. A cluster of hangouts near Louisiana State University led to at least 100 customers and employees testing positive. In East Lansing, Michigan, an outbreak tied to a brew pub spread to 34 people ages 18 to 23.

There and in states like Florida, Texas and Arizona, young people have started going out again, many without masks, in what health experts see as irresponsible behavior.

“The virus hasn’t changed. We have changed our behaviors,” said Ali Mokdad, professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle. “Younger people are more likely to be out and taking a risk.”"