Coronavirus in Massachusetts (Boston: Dominican, college, taxi)

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Citation of a peer reviewed study that has shown this?

I have none; how many do you have showing that the answer is yes?

And if you have one or more such studies, do you or anyone you know personally go out and get a flu shot for "additional protection" after getting the flu? If not, why not? Don't you "trust the science?"

[htfdcolt]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

I have none; how many do you have showing that the answer is yes?

And if you have one or more such studies, do you or anyone you know personally go out and get a flu shot for "additional protection" after getting the flu? If not, why not? Don't you "trust the science?"

I get a flu shot every year regardless.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I get a flu shot every year regardless.

Great. I don't. Neither is relevant here.

[OutdoorLover]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

I get a flu shot every year regardless.

I always get a flu shot. And some people say "Why bother, it's only about 60% effective", and while I can understand that perspective, I don't think it's well-considered. For me it's "Am I better off (statistically) if I do this? Yes. Okay, then let's do it."

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

I have none; how many do you have showing that the answer is yes?

And if you have one or more such studies, do you or anyone you know personally go out and get a flu shot for "additional protection" after getting the flu? If not, why not? Don't you "trust the science?"

I didn't answer yes. I said I haven't reviewed the research so I won't answer. Why would I answer something that I've not reviewed the research on? That would be idiotic.

You decided to answer definitely despite not having any reason to do so, except "beliefs".

I haven't had the flu since flu shots became available. So I haven't been faced with the decision.

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

Great. I don't. Neither is relevant here.

It's absolutely relevant. If you get the flu shot before flu season, you can't be faced with the decision to get it after the getting the flu. You already have gotten it.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by timberline742

I didn't answer yes. I said I haven't reviewed the research so I won't answer. Why would I answer something that I've not reviewed the research on? That would be idiotic.

You decided to answer definitely despite not having any reason to do so, except "beliefs".

I haven't had the flu since flu shots became available. So I haven't been faced with the decision.



It's absolutely relevant. If you get the flu shot before flu season, you can't be faced with the decision to get it after the getting the flu. You already have gotten it.

That's what human beings do, timberline742. We're not doing science; this is a discussion forum. I'm openly sharing my priors with you, and you're hiding yours (under the guise of "not having reviewed the research"), because you think agreeing with me on anything will weaken your overall position in favor of these vaccines, other Covid interventions, etc.

Since you're not going to be open, and since the Browns and Patriots are playing, this discussion is over. Take care.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

That's what human beings do, timberline742. We're not doing science; this is a discussion forum. I'm openly sharing my priors with you, and you're hiding yours (under the guise of "not having reviewed the research"), because you think agreeing with me on anything will weaken your overall position in favor of these vaccines, other Covid interventions, etc.

Since you're not going to be open, and since the Browns and Patriots are playing, this discussion is over. Take care.

That is not what "human beings do", it is what "ignorant human beings" do.

We're discussing science. I went to school for science. I don't make definitive statements on science I've not reviewed. It's not "hiding". It's not being an idiot and not wanting to promote misinformation.

It's perfectly reasonable, and indeed, wise, to say: "I don't know" when I don't actually know.

It's extremely stupid to say "yes" or "no" to something based on what I want or believe to to be true, without any evidence.

[Amontillado]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

Austria just put all of their non-vaccinated people in lockdown. You can leave your house to get vaccinated, to go to work (wearing a mask), or food shopping.

This is worth thinking about. I wouldn't normally call anything "un-American" but my instinctive response was to say, "Oh no, we couldn't do that here." Everyone should get vaccinated, but we have to do it voluntarily, at least as far as governments are concerned. Employers might demand it and I'm not sure that I like that idea either, though if I were working side by side with someone, then yes, I would feel better if they'd been immunized (and I'd do the same for them).

Sometimes it's tough being a liberal. You want people to do the right thing, but being in a free society is valuable too.

[robr2]

Originally Posted by tribecavsbrowns

I have none; how many do you have showing that the answer is yes?

And if you have one or more such studies, do you or anyone you know personally go out and get a flu shot for "additional protection" after getting the flu? If not, why not? Don't you "trust the science?"

Yes I would. The annual flu shot is based on an educated guess on what strains of the flu will be dominant during the season. It does not protect against all flu strains. Thus I'd like to get protection against others.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by OutdoorLover

I always get a flu shot. And some people say "Why bother, it's only about 60% effective", and while I can understand that perspective, I don't think it's well-considered. For me it's "Am I better off (statistically) if I do this? Yes. Okay, then let's do it."

The ironic part is essentially everyone I know who got the flu shot doesn't get it anymore. The reason is the year they got it, within 2 weeks was the most sick they have ever gotten. Now before you dismiss this it isn't from some anti-vax people, it is from about 30 to 40 people that have mentioned it to me. They took it one year got sick, never took again and are fine.

Personally, I never got it cause I don't think its necessary and thought it was a scam. Do people really get the flu or sick for multiple days in a row every year? Just curious.