maine north woods (Rumford, Eliot, Hancock: income, sales tax, zoning)

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by IRV007

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Do not apologize. Heck I never even thought about these issues till reading this Thread. The timeing of Ken Burns series on our "National Parks" just a month ago makes us outsiders think that "Hey, that's a great idea".
Still... the question still lingers in my mind...What are the alternatives? The current owners of those lands seem to be wanting to cash out. The folks who have been using the lands as they see fit...without much more claim than "This is where we always hunt, snowmobile,ATV".
Just trying to understand.

Ken glossed over the people driven from their homes in the Smoky Mountains. No mention of people being burned out of their homes in Alaska.

Look to why the big landowners are selling and you'll find the real solution is to drive the political scum out of the country.

[IRV007]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Ken glossed over the people driven from their homes in the Smoky Mountains. No mention of people being burned out of their homes in Alaska.

Look to why the big landowners are selling and you'll find the real solution is to drive the political scum out of the country.

You are giving us more heat than light.
The Smokey Mountains is a place I've not yet visited.Want to though.
Enlighten us with what is going on, not ....

[Northern Maine Land Man]

The big landowners raised a crop that matures in 45 to 60 years. When the legislature changes the rules every 2 years the company can't plan. If you can't plan, you can't manage. Boards of directors don't like that. Corporate boards are big on planning as are shareholders. Mead came to Maine and bought the old Rumford mill. They were delighted with the mill, the product line, the work force and the quality of the wood that came to the mill. Then they found out about the regulations in Maine. They could not get rid of that mill fast enough. Every single paper mill in Maine has gotten rid of their forest land - all of it.

Several years ago, Domtar wanted to buy the Georgia Pacific mill in Woodland. Domtar didn't want to make the same mistake that Mead had made. Domtar made a deal to buy the Woodland mill, but GP had to unload their forest first. GP sold 19 townships to something called Typhoon. Then Domtar bought the mill. By the way, Domtar is hiring.

Typhoon held the old GP forests very briefly. They flipped it to Hancock Trust, a branch of the Yale University trust. Hancock put nearly all 19 townships into a perpetual conservation easement and cut the heart out of Washington County's economic future. Losing 19 townships out of any county's economic base would be called an economic disaster. Such economic terrorism was celebrated on the front page of the Maine Sunday Telegram last Sunday. All of this is part of a long term plan.

This is not some black helicopter conspiracy theory. It's all written down for all to see. Just Google The Wildlands Project.

Wildlands Map of US

The red areas on the map are slated for "no human use".

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by IRV007

You are giving us more heat than light.
The Smokey Mountains is a place I've not yet visited.Want to though.
Enlighten us with what is going on, not ....

It's past tense in the Smoky Mts, generally, although the park people still want more land and more land. People whose families lived there for generations were driven off their land because some rich people with political connections wanted a park there. They have the same thing in store for rural residents all over the country.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Northern Maine Land Man

The big landowners raised a crop that matures in 45 to 60 years. When the legislature changes the rules every 2 years the company can't plan. If you can't plan, you can't manage. Boards of directors don't like that. Corporate boards are big on planning as are shareholders. Mead came to Maine and bought the old Rumford mill. They were delighted with the mill, the product line, the work force and the quality of the wood that came to the mill. Then they found out about the regulations in Maine. They could not get rid of that mill fast enough. Every single paper mill in Maine has gotten rid of their forest land - all of it.

Several years ago, Domtar wanted to buy the Georgia Pacific mill in Woodland. Domtar didn't want to make the same mistake that Mead had made. Domtar made a deal to buy the Woodland mill, but GP had to unload their forest first. GP sold 19 townships to something called Typhoon. Then Domtar bought the mill. By the way, Domtar is hiring.

Typhoon held the old GP forests very briefly. They flipped it to Hancock Trust, a branch of the Yale University trust. Hancock put nearly all 19 townships into a perpetual conservation easement and cut the heart out of Washington County's economic future. Losing 19 townships out of any county's economic base would be called an economic disaster. Such economic terrorism was celebrated on the front page of the Maine Sunday Telegram last Sunday. All of this is part of a long term plan.

This is not some black helicopter conspiracy theory. It's all written down for all to see. Just Google The Wildlands Project.

Wildlands Map of US

The red areas on the map are slated for "no human use".

Yep. Everyone reading this should click on that map and take note of how the only places they plan to allow "normal use" are the handful of major cities. In other words, pack everyone into the cities and keep people off the land.

[Northern Maine Land Man]

Angus King was sent to Maine on mission. He came; He saw; He conquered. Give anybody $7,000,000 to mount a campaign and they could be governor in Maine. Angus did his job and left. He is now a Florida resident.

It's all about rural cleansing. Does anybody wonder why the federal government owns 42% of all the land in our country?

[Maine Writer]

By the way, Domtar is hiring.

Not anymore.

[AustinB]

Originally Posted by Maine Writer

Not anymore.

They only brought in 9 people didn't they?

[Northern Maine Land Man]

Nine people is a good thing in Washington County.

[pc-not]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

It's past tense in the Smoky Mts, generally, although the park people still want more land and more land. People whose families lived there for generations were driven off their land because some rich people with political connections wanted a park there. They have the same thing in store for rural residents all over the country.

In the early part of the last century, the Choctawhatchee National Forest was created here in northwest Florida / sw Alabama. The area was sparsely populated with mostly small farms and timber operations. In 1940 FDR used executive order to turn a large portion of it over to the War Department. WPA & CCC workers came in to build housing and facilities for a machine gun range prior to WWII. (Stimulus?)

Eglin Field, later to become Eglin AFB, is the largest U. S. base in the world, (area). It takes in a portion of three counties. I have two friends whose families were displaced long ago and it is a very sore topic that they are quite bitter about. On the old homestead there is a graveyard with family members buried there whom my friend's mother (now 85 ) knew as a young girl. They are only allowed to visit the graves once every three years with military escorts and the paperwork is a nightmare.

This all started with the "Progessives". According to the natives here, there was nothing much they experienced that was very progressive as they were forced off the land.