The Midwest is the best if... (Los Angeles, Santa Cruz: median income, standard of living, restaurants)

[jmac1]

The Mid-West has its positives, but not more than So-Cal, lets just leave it at that....IMHO. Same can be said of LA Metro versus any Mid-West "urban" area. Chicago in the summer can rival LA in quality of living (doesn't mean big house for me), but overall the weather, topography, and geographic location makes it fail 7-8 months out of the year.

[PerseusVeil]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

But you can name an urban Midwest city that has mountains, forget the ocean. I'm just talking mountains or even hills?

No mountains, but St. Louis has hills, and there's rocky bluffs in the area as well.

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

7 dead 38 injured in the 4th of July weekend and its not even over yet in Chicago. Liberal citys with strict gun control laws are so much safer.

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Yea, the shootings are a real problem--even bigger problem is that Chicago can't control some of it because there are pretty relaxed gun laws in places very, very close to Chicago. Chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US--just a couple years ago, it had gun laws so strict (complete ban on firearms) that the feds ruled it was illegal and that the municipality had overstepped what it could legally do, so it's now just very, very strict. The issue is also that Illinois state relaxed its state gun control laws.

Hate to say it, but the best thing that can happen to Chicago is get folded into Wisconsin--Minnesota would be even better if they can stretch that far.

Chicago's gun laws don't help as much as they should when someone looking for a gun can drive 15 minutes into Indiana and get one. Guns also come in from Wisconsin and other areas of Illinois with laxer laws. Illinois' gun laws are actually less strict than California's at this point.

And OyCrumbler, if you're insinuating that being located in Wisconsin instead of illinois would somehow help Chicago's gun problems, I can't say that I'd agree. Wisconsin is currently apart of the problem.

[UKWildcat1981]

Originally Posted by omnivore

The key to this thread is realizing that everyone doesn't want or value the same things. And that's okay.

If you came to City Data looking for rational people you came to wrong site pal lol

[jmac1]

Originally Posted by omnivore

The key to this thread is realizing that everyone doesn't want or value the same things. And that's okay.

That goes without saying, but that is not the purpose of most threads. The purpose is argumentative debate, with the hope of posters using solid reason and evidence.

If we went by your logic, then what's the point? Why do we disagree or don't want or value the same thing is the point. After you make your point, the opposing opinion will try to show why your point or value my be off or flawed, even though in reality, it cannot be because it is your opinion.


We can agree do disagree, but let's discuss it for a while

[909er]

Southwest Wisconsin has small mountains, called the Driftless region. Glaciers did not affect this patch as they did the rest of the Midwest.

Minnesota is the "California of cold". It is very "cosmo" and "metro" if you will, with a large music and hipster scene. The people there love cold, hockey, etc as the people of California like the beach. And there really are 10,000 lakes and it makes for awesome summer camping. The northern latitude also mitigates humidity.

[AtlasTraveler]

I love the lack of basic geographic knowledge in this thread.

Arkansas is most certainly not part of the Midwest... Did you learn this in your hella awesome LA elementary school? Btw, you probably had to take the Iowa Standards (Midwest sets the standards for education in the U.S.).

General American is also out of Iowa (all your newscasters, etc. speak in this standardized Midwest dialect). They don't sound hella dumb like over half the ppl in LA. It's worse than the southern drawl.

Maybe if LA stopped obsessing about income and relics of status (flashy leased cars, etc.) and actually took a basic class in economics (or any class for that matter...) they'd understand why prices are so high in CA (btw, it has nothing to do with the weather). You'd also learn in this class that the Midwest is actually quite pricey when compared with the South. This, also, has nothing to do with weather.

[HyperionGap]

Originally Posted by AtlasTraveler

I love the lack of basic geographic knowledge in this thread.

Arkansas is most certainly not part of the Midwest... Did you learn this in your hella awesome LA elementary school? Btw, you probably had to take the Iowa Standards (Midwest sets the standards for education in the U.S.).

General American is also out of Iowa (all your newscasters, etc. speak in this standardized Midwest dialect). They don't sound hella dumb like over half the ppl in LA. It's worse than the southern drawl.

Maybe if LA stopped obsessing about income and relics of status (flashy leased cars, etc.) and actually took a basic class in economics (or any class for that matter...) they'd understand why prices are so high in CA (btw, it has nothing to do with the weather). You'd also learn in this class that the Midwest is actually quite pricey when compared with the South. This, also, has nothing to do with weather.

Hey guy, people in LA don't say hella. That's norcal slang. Get with the program.


Newscasters around here also don't say "warsh" or "acrosst" or "pop" unlike the Iowa vernacular.

Sounds like your geographic knowledge isn't so great either, despite, it seems, having lived in both areas.

[AliveandWell]

I agree with the OP here: he or she is spot on! You do get a higher quality of life in other states for less money. After all, weather isn't everything. Besides, I would much rather have a little variety in the weather (I came from a place which had four seasons and not by choice). LA may have more variety in the weather compared to hot, humid FL but not even near enough, not even close. Sometimes I think that summer temperatures no higher than 70F is enough for me

[WizardOfRadical]

The midwest is garbage. It is cheap for a reason. No one important wants to live there.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by HyperionGap

Hey guy, people in LA don't say hella. That's norcal slang. Get with the program.


Newscasters around here also don't say "warsh" or "acrosst" or "pop" unlike the Iowa vernacular.

Sounds like your geographic knowledge isn't so great either, despite, it seems, having lived in both areas.

Hmm, well I am a native Californian. Disclaimer: I lived in the Bay Area. Yes, they say hella up there, but we say it here too, just less often. Case in point, OC's own No Doubt.


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