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Old 09-18-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I agree...there was a post earlier about a young woman going off to college for the first time and feeling insecure and just wanting to fit in and so forth..thus allowing herself to become the subject of a gangbang.

Although Im unable to connect all those dots for insecurity to evolve into a full on pornographic smutfest...Even if that were the case, it speaks more about the parents' poor job of instilling confidence into their daughter, than it says about the state of college atmospheres.

I just dont think anyone would allow some guy commit the crime of falsely accusing someone of an illegality just because he was "insecure" himself. That just doesnt add up to me, and I doubt anyone else would buy it either if the roles were reversed.

Supposedly this young lady will undergo a psychological counseling program before they will decide whether to bring charges against her. Because they say she appears to be troubled.

However I find it strange that no one bothered to determined whether the young men could have possibly acted as a result of psychological trouble before arresting them and charging them with rape. Again, I just think this is a flat out double standard.

why not just prohibit people from consuming alcohol altogether? That way, if someone got too drunk to consent to sex, that person would in part be able to be held accountable for their own mishap; if done under the influence of alcohol.

I dont understand how anyone could accept a law prohibiting sex with an extremely drunk person, when only THAT person could determine if they were truly too intoxicated to consent, IN HINDSIGHT. Under that theory, technically all this young lady had to do is tell cops that she was drunk, and her story would have been corroborated regardless of whether she were drunk or not.
We tried Prohibition and it didn't work.

Your post reminds me of this incident, where the accused young men (who were convicted) videotaped the encounter:

Orange County News - [Moxley Confidential] Haidl Gang Rape Defendants Re-Attack Victim, Hoping to Overturn Convictions - page 1

Anybody remember that one?
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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I am glad she recanted and nobody will be going to prison for a long time and labelled a sex offender because of this incident. It just goes to show that if you mess around with a person who may be unstable they can drag you down with them.

Amen to that!
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:42 AM
 
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We've yet to see any photos of Danmell Ndonye. All parties involved made bad decisions, resulting in an horrific mess and no charges, Ms. Ndonye's photo should be released as well.
There's a picture of Ndonye on page 8 of this thread (procured, no doubt, from one of the many places on the internet that does have her photo and a link to her myspace).
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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Hofstra is TTT. You really think they have fraternity houses? Even if they did, if the frat house is on campus it's still part of Hofstra and should be subject to the same rules as dorms.
What does TTT mean?
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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I agree...there was a post earlier about a young woman going off to college for the first time and feeling insecure and just wanting to fit in and so forth..thus allowing herself to become the subject of a gangbang.

Although Im unable to connect all those dots for insecurity to evolve into a full on pornographic smutfest...Even if that were the case, it speaks more about the parents' poor job of instilling confidence into their daughter, than it says about the state of college atmospheres.

I just dont think anyone would allow some guy commit the crime of falsely accusing someone of an illegality just because he was "insecure" himself. That just doesnt add up to me, and I doubt anyone else would buy it either if the roles were reversed.

Supposedly this young lady will undergo a psychological counseling program before they will decide whether to bring charges against her. Because they say she appears to be troubled.

However I find it strange that no one bothered to determined whether the young men could have possibly acted as a result of psychological trouble before arresting them and charging them with rape. Again, I just think this is a flat out double standard.

why not just prohibit people from consuming alcohol altogether? That way, if someone got too drunk to consent to sex, that person would in part be able to be held accountable for their own mishap; if done under the influence of alcohol.

I dont understand how anyone could accept a law prohibiting sex with an extremely drunk person, when only THAT person could determine if they were truly too intoxicated to consent, IN HINDSIGHT. Under that theory, technically all this young lady had to do is tell cops that she was drunk, and her story would have been corroborated regardless of whether she were drunk or not.
Teen girls are the most insecure creatures on earth. My story was meant to show how a young girl might drink because of peer pressure. I didn't say they would get gang banged. My illustration was one-on-one campus rape of a drunk girl.

By the way, it takes much more than a girls "word" that she was drunk. You would need witnesses that she was plastered beforehand. Also, a rape kit may show her blood alcohol level after the rape.

This isn't rocket science. It pretty easy to tell if a girl is drunk. I'm a guy and I would easily know if a girl is slurring her speech, stumbling around, etc. You simply should not take advantage of someone in that state, no matter how horny you are. It's rape under the law, and young men need to learn this.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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We tried Prohibition and it didn't work.

Your post reminds me of this incident, where the accused young men (who were convicted) videotaped the encounter:

Orange County News - [Moxley Confidential] Haidl Gang Rape Defendants Re-Attack Victim, Hoping to Overturn Convictions - page 1

Anybody remember that one?
That's one horrible and disgusting perversion of justice that those defendents are trying to perpetrate.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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The names of these young men will be accesible through Google, through Newspaper archives, on searches of blogs, etc., until God knows how long.

Hofstra's security was breached by an employee. Whether or not he participated in the sexual activity, he should lose his job for giving non Hofstra students access to a Hofstra dorm. His breaching the system (which up until this incident worked) does not mean that the campus is not a safe place.

If an individual can engage in dishonesty at the penal level, academic dishonesty is like stealing candy from a baby. Whether or not you feel Hofstra is whatever tier legal school, the fact is that the name has been stained.

Thinking about it, the school did graduate Bernie Madoff. If they graduate one scam artist, what's one more?
Were the young men admitted to the party or did they actually sneak in? Isn't this employee also the only one of the accused that was a student at Hofstra? was he suspended?

Bernie Madoff went there? OMG! I didn't know that. Shoot. TTT all the way.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's not what I said at all. I am only talking about this ONE case, and the SIX specific people involved here.

But, according to your logic, a woman would need to take responsibility for getting raped if she made the choice to wear a revealing outfit, be a flirt, or be out late at night. Because those aren't good choices, right?

You are bring up straw men now. None of they above are consent to have sex in any manner.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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I would express my views on Madoff but I am sure the hypersensitive minority (----) would try to get me in trouble again.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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What does TTT mean?
Third tier toilet = not one of the best schools by any means
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