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Old 09-27-2023, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Suffolk County
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I wish I could get gas, it's not possible because the gas lines stop about 3 houses down, and nobody else has any interest on investing in new equipment, so if I were to get it by myself, it would cost $10k just to get the lines extended... That's before all the plumbing costs of replacing the burner, abandoning the tank, etc..
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Old 09-28-2023, 08:19 PM
 
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This oil heating is so last century, I can't believe we still have to deal with this. From Delivery to the tanks, the gauges, "trust me I filled up x gallons", all this.. In the meantime we are dealing with driverless taxi cabs.
Whaddya want?

Oil and gas (and perhaps electricity) were meant to replace coal. Oil was a one for one swap; instead of getting coal delivered and stored you got oil. Natural gas requires piping which the companies would not do if it wasn't in their financial best interests.

Many communities got lucky with post WWII building boom that natural gas and electricity were expanded at little no cost to property owners. This and or when communities were being built out natural gas was included as part of development.

If you think oil is so "last century" you should know plenty of people still burn coal or even wood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0JWGjyil8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFHWnrwWN0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkdQcd3AMMI
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Old 09-28-2023, 08:26 PM
 
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I wish I could get gas, it's not possible because the gas lines stop about 3 houses down, and nobody else has any interest on investing in new equipment, so if I were to get it by myself, it would cost $10k just to get the lines extended... That's before all the plumbing costs of replacing the burner, abandoning the tank, etc..

Serious comment. You mention we have driverless cabs but complain about oil delivery. But now mention no one wants to invest in the new equipment for the gas line as you complain about the old oil delivery concepts. At least you have the option

You want an electric car you need to invest in the hook up.

You want solar panels you need to Invest.

You want gas you need to invest.

Unfortunately your surrounding neighbors don’t want to change their ways which is costing you.

I have a cesspool I’m begging for sewers but unfortunately I’m stuck as well In this old way since a new system is 20k-30k with the new restrictions.


Unfortunately the money has to come from somewhere but it’s not going to us to upgrade for the most part.
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Old 10-01-2023, 05:24 PM
 
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Whaddya want?

Oil and gas (and perhaps electricity) were meant to replace coal. Oil was a one for one swap; instead of getting coal delivered and stored you got oil. Natural gas requires piping which the companies would not do if it wasn't in their financial best interests.

Many communities got lucky with post WWII building boom that natural gas and electricity were expanded at little no cost to property owners. This and or when communities were being built out natural gas was included as part of development.

If you think oil is so "last century" you should know plenty of people still burn coal or even wood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL0JWGjyil8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXFHWnrwWN0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkdQcd3AMMI
It was about 20 years ago that some NYC schools still used coal to heat their buildings. Those are all gone now, replaced by oil, or gas.
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Old 10-01-2023, 05:32 PM
 
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It was about 20 years ago that some NYC schools still used coal to heat their buildings. Those are all gone now, replaced by oil, or gas.
And oil and gas are out now in nyc schools. Going forward all new school construction will be gas & oil free. All electric full speed ahead.
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Old 10-01-2023, 06:51 PM
 
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It was about 20 years ago that some NYC schools still used coal to heat their buildings. Those are all gone now, replaced by oil, or gas.
It is only rather recently IIRC that those seeking to get NYC public school custodian/janitor positions didn't have to pass exams on coal fired boilers.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/fi...-below/2000/02

https://www.nyc.gov/site/buildings/i...r-license.page

https://coalpail.com/coal-forum/view...p?f=54&t=20499

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/11/n...-replaced.html
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Old 10-01-2023, 06:56 PM
 
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Properly burned coal (especially hard coal) is rather clean. Key word there is "properly" which long was problem for all sorts in charge of burning coal in boilers or furnaces. A properly burning coal fire emits nearly nil smoke, again especially if using hard coal.

Doesn't matter what or how one is burning coal, one key thing applies; "little and often".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrkiKo0lFE
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Old 10-02-2023, 07:36 PM
 
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Properly burned coal (especially hard coal) is rather clean. Key word there is "properly" which long was problem for all sorts in charge of burning coal in boilers or furnaces. A properly burning coal fire emits nearly nil smoke, again especially if using hard coal.

Doesn't matter what or how one is burning coal, one key thing applies; "little and often".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrkiKo0lFE
Hard coal is more expensive, and more difficult to extract than 'soft coal'. So soft coal is more commonly used. and yes, in a properly cleaned furnace, hard coal emits nearly 'nil' smoke. But it does emit invisible gases, like CO2, SO2.
Gas emits about 50% less CO2 than even hard coal.
Plus for every pound of coal burnt, over 2lbs of CO2 are emitted.
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Old 10-02-2023, 07:37 PM
 
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Serious comment. You mention we have driverless cabs but complain about oil delivery. But now mention no one wants to invest in the new equipment for the gas line as you complain about the old oil delivery concepts. At least you have the option

You want an electric car you need to invest in the hook up.

You want solar panels you need to Invest.

You want gas you need to invest.

Unfortunately your surrounding neighbors don’t want to change their ways which is costing you.

I have a cesspool I’m begging for sewers but unfortunately I’m stuck as well In this old way since a new system is 20k-30k with the new restrictions.


Unfortunately the money has to come from somewhere but it’s not going to us to upgrade for the most part.
Eventually that cesspool will fail. Hopefully a long ways down the road, but it will happen. There is no reason that almost all of Long Island should not be on sewers. It has been put off for far too long.
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Old 10-11-2023, 04:56 AM
 
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This oil heating is so last century, I can't believe we still have to deal with this. From Delivery to the tanks, the gauges, "trust me I filled up x gallons", all this.. In the meantime we are dealing with driverless taxi cabs.
I'm going to be looking into potentially swapping over to gas next year if it's still possible on LI. Or option 2 I'm not completely against getting a few mini splits but can't self install and I'm not spending $30..40..50k on that headache. It needs to be cheaper. I got $3.80 this year which is much better than what I was paying last year at $4.80.

I don't understand how it's legal what some of these oil companies do. I don't understand how your contract can expire then they deliver oil at whatever price they feel like screwing you over with 0 notice. Almost had a stroke one delivery that costed me around $1100 because this certain company decided to deliver outside of contract and was charging nearly $2 more than COD. It seems like there is 0 regulation on it and we are just gonna charge whatever we feel like.
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