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Old 11-14-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Actually that is what is going on already.

LIPA "owns" everything, but National Grid, a private company, has the contract to run and maintain everything. National Grid's performance was lackluster, so they lost the contract before Sandy even struck to PSE&G of NJ. However, PSE&G does not start the new contract until 2014.
From what I gathered on this before and after the storm, LIPA is ultimately the decision maker in anything that goes on with the grid, repairs, maintenance, readiness, etc. Nat Grid executes on this.

There is nothing private about LIPA whatsoever. This is a 'Public-LIPA-Private' partnership.
That's what I'm referring to needs to be replaced by a company (private like GE) that knows what theyre doing. Not the politically connected cronies in there now.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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His profile is on Linkedin and he has experience at a midwestern utility including being chief engineer which is a BIG job, probably the most important job when it comes to actually making sure the distribution of electricity is running properly.

Seeing Pequa's post about the people on the payroll makes me even more convinced that Hervey was up against it with a long ingrained "do nothing" mentality and it's no surprise he was looking to get out after Irene. He was probably praying the Big One didn't come before the end of the year - Mother Nature screwed him!
I was a management consultant at Lilco, back during the nineties, and while the faces in management have changed, the culture has not. It's a political nightmare, with all sorts of in-fighting, one flunkie manager after another undoing previous decisions of other managers, no decision made until the committee has voted and that only occurs after the nth meeting. In a word, horrible.

So, yes, nothing gets done, infrastructure decays and work is left for the next guy. Then it all comes to a head when there's a catastrophe, like Sandy.

As has been reported, none of the overseeing politicians (that's you Gov. Andie) want to bother unless they have a friend who needs a patronage job.

You want transparency, get someone, anyone, to explain how the energy charge on all of our bills is calculated, because no one at LIPA I've spoken to can. Which leads to the rebate the rate payers get every year, since LIPA overbills to the tune of over $100 million. Of course, you'll receive a $5 credit, if that.

And why is it there's no shortage of bidders when the operations contract comes up? Because it's a money machine! National Grid now, PSEG next year....

I really don't understand why the protests aren't spreading.... LI'ers are getting fleeced and have been for the last 30 or 40 years...
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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From what I gathered on this before and after the storm, LIPA is ultimately the decision maker in anything that goes on with the grid, repairs, maintenance, readiness, etc. Nat Grid executes on this.

There is nothing private about LIPA whatsoever. This is a 'Public-LIPA-Private' partnership.
That's what I'm referring to needs to be replaced by a company (private like GE) that knows what theyre doing. Not the politically connected cronies in there now.
A private company owning a monopoly on a basic human need and holding its customers hostage is no panacea.

We've already tried that before anyway.

Remember LILCO? The private company? And how they milked the public for the highest rates in the nation at that time and all they spent money on was lavish executive compensation and shareholder profits?

Maybe you are too young to remember what went on with LILCO. It was a horror.

I think, private or public, what the electricity provider on LI needs first and foremost is strict oversight.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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Twingles, I was doing the happy dance when I first heard the idiot apparent was none other than Jon Kaiman, so happy was I that he might be out of my hair here in NH. Then I read the "fine print" ....LIPA and all I could do was say to myself screwed again and even more, if that is possible.!!!!!!!
LOL - I understand - total Catch-22!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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I really don't understand why the protests aren't spreading.... LI'ers are getting fleeced and have been for the last 30 or 40 years...
So many things to protest - so little time!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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If he is so top notch I'm surprised nobody snapped him up over a year ago after Irene. .
LIPA - executives come in, but they don't come out (unscathed) - does anyone get snapped up from there?! LOL. Bad career move to take the helm there - it's a "take the money and run" position!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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LIPA - executives come in, but they don't come out (unscathed) - does anyone get snapped up from there?! LOL. Bad career move to take the helm there - it's a "take the money and run" position!
In the Newsday article, it said he never even got the helm. He was just "interim CEO" for 2 years ... while Cuomo was considering Jon Kaiman, of all people, for the CEO.

OMG. Excuse me while I go throw up.

Seriously.

This is making me sick.

I dreamt last night I was looking at a house in New Jersey. (Don't know if THAT would be much of an improvement.)
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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I dreamt last night I was looking at a house in New Jersey. (Don't know if THAT would be much of an improvement.)
That is pretty funny!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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A private company owning a monopoly on a basic human need and holding its customers hostage is no panacea.

We've already tried that before anyway.

Remember LILCO? The private company? And how they milked the public for the highest rates in the nation at that time and all they spent money on was lavish executive compensation and shareholder profits?

Maybe you are too young to remember what went on with LILCO. It was a horror.

I think, private or public, what the electricity provider on LI needs first and foremost is strict oversight.
Where's LILCO now?

Just because one example of privatization failed nearly 30 years ago doesn't mean it will happen now.

The monopoly aspect is impossible to get around. Regardless, you could still have a utility headed by a competent company (preferably a private one).
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Where's LILCO now?

Just because one example of privatization failed nearly 30 years ago doesn't mean it will happen now.

The monopoly aspect is impossible to get around. Regardless, you could still have a utility headed by a competent company (preferably a private one).
LILCO is now LIPA.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire, anyone?
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