[foundapeanut]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...wkI/story.html

[BBMW]

This isn't a court of law. This is the court of public opinion. There's no presumption of innocence. In point of fact, the opposite is more likely. As far as I've heard, there isn't any criminal case. I haven't even heard of any open civil cases (at the moment. I'm sure Gloria Allred is gassing up her broom and will be flying into the middle of this momentarily.)

This is about how Steve Wynn's presence, physically and in name, effects his former company. And that is hugely about perception. And we all know what the perception of him is right now.

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

You misunderstood my posts. I am not defending Steve Wynn. I'm saying quite literally you do not know. He may be as bad as you say. He may be worse. He may be better. You do not know. Neither do I.

In America, the accused has the presumption of innocense in a court of law.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

I'd guess there is a child involved.

Could be...and I would bet you Wynn knows about paternity tests. So that merely shows the act took place. And is Wynn was simply trying to do the right thing I doubt he would have any trouble setting up a trust fun for mother and kid without it getting to court.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

You misunderstood my posts. I am not defending Steve Wynn. I'm saying quite literally you do not know. He may be as bad as you say. He may be worse. He may be better. You do not know. Neither do I.

In America, the accused has the presumption of innocense in a court of law.

As BBMW points out this is not a court of law. It is public perception. And Wynn has lost that battle already.

And he agrees...that is why he resigned.

I do not agree with BBMW that the brand is tarnished. I think it may simply add to the mystique. Going to be fun to watch the internal dynamics particular if Elaine can free her shares. And Okada coming after the key BofD players.

You could make a really good TV show out of all this...

[foundapeanut]

Hmmmm a good TV show. Good idea BUT.....

Most of casino's here want too much control over what is filmed. Especially on the strip. And they want too much money for the 'location' budget line item. They want their own producer, etc.

Wynn being the sociopath he is, would never allow this. Show anything that could possibly show the hotel in a bad light, no. Which they are going to have enough issues to overcome. Don't blame them.

I don't want Steve to 'go away.' I think he's a very creative guy, although its not just him coming up with what we see as the final product. Since he can't see.

I'm betting he'll still be there, maybe off site. (we won't know it of course) And just won't have contact with females. I can see why they need him around, not a big deal. He's got the project across the street, would hate to see someone else come in, still want to see it in his vision.

I think the lake is a fabulous idea. Especially since it takes less water than the golf course.

I will still support his hotel, restaurants, take people to see it, etc.

You know he has an entire department that scans the internet for posts about him, company etc. This was reported years ago. I guess many compnies do that now. Or they hire ad agencies to do it.

[BBMW]

The brand is HIS NAME. The brand is based on his reputation. The brand and him are completely inseparable. The brand is toast.

Originally Posted by lvmensch

As BBMW points out this is not a court of law. It is public perception. And Wynn has lost that battle already.

And he agrees...that is why he resigned.

I do not agree with BBMW that the brand is tarnished. I think it may simply add to the mystique. Going to be fun to watch the internal dynamics particular if Elaine can free her shares. And Okada coming after the key BofD players.

You could make a really good TV show out of all this...

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by BBMW

This isn't a court of law. This is the court of public opinion. There's no presumption of innocence.

Which is the precisely the point: anyone threatened with a career-ending false accusation of sexual misconduct will go to extreme lengths to make it go away quietly.

So, it is illogical to observe Steve's $7M payment and conclude "he's guilty."

Originally Posted by BBMW

As far as I've heard, there isn't any criminal case. I haven't even heard of any open civil cases (at the moment. I'm sure Gloria Allred is gassing up her broom and will be flying into the middle of this momentarily.)

Which is also the point. Most media outlets have a policy of not identifying the victim of rape because of the social stigma attached. Yet they eagerly identify the accused even when there has been no investigation.

Originally Posted by BBMW

This is about how Steve Wynn's presence, physically and in name, effects his former company. And that is hugely about perception. And we all know what the perception of him is right now.

Yes, misandry is a major issue right now.

And Steve Wynn doesn't work there anymore.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

As BBMW points out this is not a court of law. It is public perception. And Wynn has lost that battle already.

And he agrees...that is why he resigned.

He resigned because it is in the best interests of the corporation for him to do so. The State of Massachusetts was rattling its sabers regarding Wynn Boston Harbor. Massachusetts explicitly threatened Wynn Resorts that would not grant a gaming license with Steve in the company, thereby impairing a $2.4 Billion+ dollar investment.

Clearly both he and the Board knew he head to go for the good of the company.

Originally Posted by lvmensch

I do not agree with BBMW that the brand is tarnished.... You could make a really good TV show out of all this...

I'm with you on this.

[BBMW]

People shake down casinos and rich people (independently) with lawsuits all the time. Two things usually happen. Either they get a small "go away" settlement, or if the numbers are big enough, the sued party fights. Two bit, unjustified shakedowns don't get seven figure settlements. If the settlement for for $50K, I'd believe what your saying.

But a settlement that big is tantamount to an admission. He and his lawyers (and her lawyers) knew that if the lawsuit and settlement went public, all the old skeletons would could flying out of the closes. So it paid her big money to shut up.

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Which is the precisely the point: anyone threatened with a career-ending false accusation of sexual misconduct will go to extreme lengths to make it go away quietly.

So, it is illogical to observe Steve's $7M payment and conclude "he's guilty."



Which is also the point. Most media outlets have a policy of not identifying the victim of rape because of the social stigma attached. Yet they eagerly identify the accused even when there has been no investigation.



Yes, misandry is a major issue right now.

And Steve Wynn doesn't work there anymore.

[Hughie]

Originally Posted by BBMW

People shake down casinos and rich people (independently) with lawsuits all the time. Two things usually happen. Either they get a small "go away" settlement, or if the numbers are big enough, the sued party fights. Two bit, unjustified shakedowns don't get seven figure settlements. If the settlement for for $50K, I'd believe what your saying.

But a settlement that big is tantamount to an admission. He and his lawyers (and her lawyers) knew that if the lawsuit and settlement went public, all the old skeletons would could flying out of the closes. So it paid her big money to shut up.

Admission of what, that he used prostitutes?