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Old 06-28-2023, 07:28 PM
 
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Are you unaware that calling the Jewish Scriptures "the Old Testament" can be in and of itself offensive to Jews?
Some things are offensive because they are meanspirited and meant to hurt someone with intent. There are things people say and do that are offensive to Christians; however, I feel that Christians generally realize that not everything is done out of malice. Would you rather that Matthew through Revelations be included as simply the WORD of GOD along with Genesis through Malachi? I don't believe that would suit you either --- would it?

I feel that Christians are showing a demarcation; as well as, a place of honor to the first books for being the foundation and prophetic root upon which Matthew through Revelation firmly rest. Yes, that is the Christian view; however, should I apologize to you for being Christian? What would you have me say or do?
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Old 06-28-2023, 07:56 PM
 
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It isn't.

I'm opposed to the government policies of Saudi Arabia, but that doesn't make me anti-Semitic any more than being anti-Roman Catholic makes me anti-Italy or any other country whose State-sponsored religion is Roman Catholic or vice-versa.

If you can't tell the difference between a country and its emigrants or people whose heritage rests in that country, then now would be a good time to learn.





A loyal American would not hold dual-citizenship or dual-passports.

I hold dual-passports, but then I don't claim to be loyal to American. I only claim allegiance (and pledge) to the Constitution.



Indeed. That's why I prefer the term "Hebrew texts" since it is not offensive and more accurate.
What you may not be aware is that Papias of Hierapolis, c. 125–150 CE.[2] in a passage with several ambiguous phrases, he wrote: "Matthew collected the oracles (logia – sayings of or about Jesus) in the Hebrew language in referencing the book of Matthew. The book of Hebrews was considered a Pauline letter in the early Eastern church. Clement of Alexandria, a theologian of the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries, held that Paul had written it in Hebrew for the Hebrews and that Luke had translated it into Greek. Also, not all the "Hebrew Texts" were originally written in Hebrew. Daniel and Ezra were originally in Biblical Aramaic.
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Old 06-28-2023, 07:59 PM
 
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Do you think that an anti-Israel belief isn't anti-semitic belief?
I think that disagreeing with Israeli policy isn't the same thing as being anti-semitic.
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:01 PM
 
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The belief that "Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America" reminds me of the anti-Catholic propaganda from the Kennedy presidential campaign that JFK would be more loyal to the Vatican and the Pope than to the USA constitution and its people.

People who have prejudices will always find something to which they can justify their prejudice.
Wonderful comparison!
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:08 PM
 
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I grew up using the term “Old Testament” so I find that a handy term for a group of scrolls or books. And I don’t know what’s wrong with “have a blessed day.” Certain people are used to certain salutations.

My wife went to Tulane. Some friends of her friends, from Louisiana, asked her where her horns were. According to my wife, they were not the least bit antisemitic.
I never imagined any human having horns, nor have I ever heard of that in any Christian church I attended nor in the Christian circles I've hung. I'm assuming that this was some myth perpetuated by a misunderstanding of scripture that most likely never read for themselves.
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:21 PM
 
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I think that disagreeing with Israeli policy isn't the same thing as being anti-semitic.
I would have to agree with you. I imagine if Israel passed a law that for a Christian to witness to any person of the Jewish faith is wrong, I for one would have to disagree. The reason for witnessing to Jewish people is not to make them Christian per say, but to lead them to the MESSIAH and from my perspective make them MORE so by completing their Judaism. For me the reality is that the MESSIAH intends for everyone to be brought to the FATHER and not just Jews. And I'm rather sure "MESSIANIC Jews" would agree with me; whereas, Orthodox/Hassidic Jews would likely disagree, but maybe not...
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:55 PM
 
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My friends who are jewish are the warmest and friendliest people I know. They are much easier to talk to in a way I cannot describe, perhaps it is the straightfowardsness, sometimes brutally so :-) They are very forthcoming in recommending lawyers, doctors and specialists, and yes they are all jewish, and have been excellent.
In the communities they live they do manage to wield some power that is evident. But then they also give their time and money to be on boards and committees, and in elected positions. They are very organized in a way no other ethnic groups are, and they reap the rewards. Shrug.
There is little that I disagree with, except that some Jewish people I know could use a lesson in "bedside manner." That goes to warmth but, good post.
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Old 06-28-2023, 08:58 PM
 
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I never imagined any human having horns, nor have I ever heard of that in any Christian church I attended nor in the Christian circles I've hung. I'm assuming that this was some myth perpetuated by a misunderstanding of scripture that most likely never read for themselves.
I think the origin is a Michelangelo painting.
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Old 06-29-2023, 12:33 AM
 
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I would have to agree with you. I imagine if Israel passed a law that for a Christian to witness to any person of the Jewish faith is wrong, I for one would have to disagree. The reason for witnessing to Jewish people is not to make them Christian per say, but to lead them to the MESSIAH and from my perspective make them MORE so by completing their Judaism. For me the reality is that the MESSIAH intends for everyone to be brought to the FATHER and not just Jews. And I'm rather sure "MESSIANIC Jews" would agree with me; whereas, Orthodox/Hassidic Jews would likely disagree, but maybe not...
It is 2.30 in the morning so I might revisit this when it is daylight outside but this is precisely the attitude that I find offensive. My Judaism doesn't need "completing" by your theology and the minute you decide to "witness" to me because you think I need your religious help, you have become patronizing.

If you want to believe in something then do so. But if an essential part of your belief has you tell me that my belief needs your help, you cross a line.
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Old 06-29-2023, 10:14 PM
 
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I think the origin is a Michelangelo painting.
It's from a Michelangelo sculpture of David. My kid also had that same experience when attending college in a southern state. A student really innocently asked if he could touch the "horns." He was from a rural part of TN and that's what he learned.
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