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Do you think that an anti-Israel belief isn't anti-semitic belief?
It isn't.
I'm opposed to the government policies of Saudi Arabia, but that doesn't make me anti-Semitic any more than being anti-Roman Catholic makes me anti-Italy or any other country whose State-sponsored religion is Roman Catholic or vice-versa.
If you can't tell the difference between a country and its emigrants or people whose heritage rests in that country, then now would be a good time to learn.
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Originally Posted by Lillie767
The belief that "Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America" reminds me of the anti-Catholic propaganda from the Kennedy presidential campaign that JFK would be more loyal to the Vatican and the Pope than to the USA constitution and its people.
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Originally Posted by Chava61
I agree that it is definitely anti-Semitic propaganda that American Jews are more loyal to Israel than the USA.
A loyal American would not hold dual-citizenship or dual-passports.
I hold dual-passports, but then I don't claim to be loyal to American. I only claim allegiance (and pledge) to the Constitution.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
Are you unaware that calling the Jewish Scriptures "the Old Testament" can be in and of itself offensive to Jews?
Indeed. That's why I prefer the term "Hebrew texts" since it is not offensive and more accurate.
I'm opposed to the government policies of Saudi Arabia, but that doesn't make me anti-Semitic any more than being anti-Roman Catholic makes me anti-Italy or any other country whose State-sponsored religion is Roman Catholic or vice-versa.
If you can't tell the difference between a country and its emigrants or people whose heritage rests in that country, then now would be a good time to learn.
A loyal American would not hold dual-citizenship or dual-passports.
I hold dual-passports, but then I don't claim to be loyal to American. I only claim allegiance (and pledge) to the Constitution.
Indeed. That's why I prefer the term "Hebrew texts" since it is not offensive and more accurate.
One can disagree with the current Israeli Government. One of the reasons could be anti-semitism but it doesn't have to be. Also in Israel there is no separation between state and religion like in the USA and I don't really know what the situation in the other countries that you mention.
I disagree with you about a loyal American not holding more than one passport. Sometimes a person has a second passport due to a citizenship being conferred upon them when they aren't an adult and they simply never bother to deal with the bureaucracy of changing the situation (especially if one has immediate family in the other country of citizenship).
For Jews the Bible is what Christians call the "Old Testament". Most Jews know this and I doubt many take offense.
One can disagree with the current Israeli Government. One of the reasons could be anti-semitism but it doesn't have to be. Also in Israel there is no separation between state and religion like in the USA and I don't really know what the situation in the other countries that you mention.
I disagree with you about a loyal American not holding more than one passport. Sometimes a person has a second passport due to a citizenship being conferred upon them when they aren't an adult and they simply never bother to deal with the bureaucracy of changing the situation (especially if one has immediate family in the other country of citizenship).
For Jews the Bible is what Christians call the "Old Testament". Most Jews know this and I doubt many take offense.
Some of the Jewish posters have on the R&S forum over the years. The inference is that "Old" may mean "no longer valid", which is indeed a perspective of a subset of Christians.
A loyal American would not hold dual-citizenship or dual-passports.
I disagree. A person can demonstrate and feel loyalty in many different ways and can be fully loyal to both America and her allies. A person can be a citizen of more than one place.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Indeed. That's why I prefer the term "Hebrew texts" since it is not offensive and more accurate.
My objection to the term "Hebrew" bible is that the word "hebrew" either means a people (and Jews haven't been known as Hebrews for a long time) or a language -- and some of both the written and oral texts canonical in the Jewish world are not in Hebrew but in Aramaic.
Are you unaware that calling the Jewish Scriptures "the Old Testament" can be in and of itself offensive to Jews?
I'm certainly not offended by that term.
The listed tropes I find problematical are:
Jews are not as honest as other business people.
Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
Jews have too much power in the United States today.
Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
Jews in business are so shrewd that other people do not have a fair chance at competition.
Jews have too much power in the business world.
Jews do not share my values.
Jews always like to be at the head of things.
Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America.
Jews in business go out of their way to hire other Jews.
The listed tropes that are less problematical are:
Jews are not warm and friendly.
Jews stick together more than other Americans.
Jews do stick together, no question. As far as warmth and friendliness, the Jews tend to be straightforward, sometimes brutally so. The others are obviously pejorative.
I don't find the term Old Testament offensive as much as not knowing better. It's like when people around here (I live in the south) tell me to have a "blessed day." They mean well, but just don't know better. Heck, I even remember when someone wanted - in all honesty - to see my horns. She had never met a Jewish person before.
I don't find the term Old Testament offensive as much as not knowing better. It's like when people around here (I live in the south) tell me to have a "blessed day." They mean well, but just don't know better.
I grew up using the term “Old Testament” so I find that a handy term for a group of scrolls or books. And I don’t know what’s wrong with “have a blessed day.” Certain people are used to certain salutations.
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Heck, I even remember when someone wanted - in all honesty - to see my horns. She had never met a Jewish person before.
My wife went to Tulane. Some friends of her friends, from Louisiana, asked her where her horns were. According to my wife, they were not the least bit antisemitic.
Some of the Jewish posters have on the R&S forum over the years. The inference is that "Old" may mean "no longer valid", which is indeed a perspective of a subset of Christians.
Interesting, I had never thought of it like that. Thank you for that new perspective.
As an ex Christian, I always saw it as Old simply being the first, and New being the second (amending some of the Old).
My wife went to Tulane. Some friends of her friends, from Louisiana, asked her where her horns were. According to my wife, they were not the least bit antisemitic.
Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
Jews have too much power in the United States today.
Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
Jews in business are so shrewd that other people do not have a fair chance at competition.
Jews have too much power in the business world.
Jews do not share my values.
Jews always like to be at the head of things.
Jews are more loyal to Israel than to America.
Jews in business go out of their way to hire other Jews.
The listed tropes that are less problematical are:
Jews are not warm and friendly.
Jews stick together more than other Americans.
Jews do stick together, no question. As far as warmth and friendliness, the Jews tend to be straightforward, sometimes brutally so. The others are obviously pejorative.
My friends who are jewish are the warmest and friendliest people I know. They are much easier to talk to in a way I cannot describe, perhaps it is the straightfowardsness, sometimes brutally so :-) They are very forthcoming in recommending lawyers, doctors and specialists, and yes they are all jewish, and have been excellent.
In the communities they live they do manage to wield some power that is evident. But then they also give their time and money to be on boards and committees, and in elected positions. They are very organized in a way no other ethnic groups are, and they reap the rewards. Shrug.
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