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My question is crime economic based (poor economy drives crime) or rather illegal immigration based (illegal immigration causing an increase of crime).
A poor economy dose not drive crime. Low charactor drives crime. I have known many poor people who are as honest as the day is long.They have never used their own poverty as an excuse to commit a crime. Remember even the cream of the crop amoungst illegals are criminals.
A poor economy dose not drive crime. Low charactor drives crime. I have known many poor people who are as honest as the day is long.They have never used their own poverty as an excuse to commit a crime. Remember even the cream of the crop amoungst illegals are criminals.
A poor economy dose not drive crime. Low charactor drives crime. I have known many poor people who are as honest as the day is long.They have never used their own poverty as an excuse to commit a crime. Remember even the cream of the crop amoungst illegals are criminals.
How do you explain crime stats? How do you explain that crime increases in poor economic times? How about comparing higher income neighborhoods vs. lower income neighborhoods? Or comparing those with a college degree vs. those without?
Anecdotal evidence is too narrow. At the end of the day, we all need shelter, food, and clothing. Most crime is linked to either a direct lack of shelter, food, or clothing (or a minimal amount of these) or an indirect lack (mother and father work 4 jobs to provide and can't provide the time to raise the kids).
Crimes commited by the rich are more ubermensch type crimes. A minority of crimes are commited by higher income people. However, these crimes demonstrate and perpetuate the classism that exists in the United States.
After reading some articles, notably "Declining Crime Rates of the 1990s: Predicting Booms and Busts." Annual Review of Sociology volume 25 pages 145-168 and "Crime and Economic Incentives" Journal of Human Resources volume 39 number 4. The evidence provided by crime stats, and relative to periods of economic plenty or economic drought is pretty good. So far it is the best sociological model for crime.
Family structure plays a role, but this too is influenced by economic conditions. Drugs are influenced by economic conditions. Everything is influenced by your economic condition.
You may know rich criminals and honest poor people, but you don't know everyone in the United States. Also, this is NOT saying that EVERY poor person is a criminal. This IS saying that crime is linked to economic situation. There is relatively little crime in the United States. The first world has lower crime rates than the third world (urbanized areas). So this continues to solidify the correlation between economics and crime. Central Lagos is more dangerous than central Detroit which is more dangerous than central Los Angeles which is more dangerous than central New York (Manhattan).
This is part of the reason why we need to train and educate everyone in our borders. If we can create a stable economic situation for everyone in our borders, we can reduce a stressor towards crime. This would increase our middle class and prevent us from going into the third world model of society (the haves and the have nots). A solid education and good training are the keys to obtaining a stable job. So if we help the children of the illegals (yes they should have come here legally, but they are here already so reflection won't change anything), then we can set in motion the engine for change within the community and assimilation into not only the cultural aspects of our nation, but also the economic aspects as well.
You’re “pretty†sure? Well I’m “certain†they are in fact using some form of fraud to gain employment. Perhaps you don’t realize an SSN is required for employment in this country. Unless they are ALL working off the books, then yes they are either using a stolen or fake SSN. Regardless, it is a “crime†to evade taxes, steal an SSN, or forge documents.
Furthermore, they are not “undocumented.†They have plenty of documents, they are simply fraudulent.
Thats right!
They are criminals just by the fact that they are here illegally!
How do you explain crime stats? How do you explain that crime increases in poor economic times? How about comparing higher income neighborhoods vs. lower income neighborhoods? Or comparing those with a college degree vs. those without?
Anecdotal evidence is too narrow. At the end of the day, we all need shelter, food, and clothing. Most crime is linked to either a direct lack of shelter, food, or clothing (or a minimal amount of these) or an indirect lack (mother and father work 4 jobs to provide and can't provide the time to raise the kids).
Crimes commited by the rich are more ubermensch type crimes. A minority of crimes are commited by higher income people. However, these crimes demonstrate and perpetuate the classism that exists in the United States.
After reading some articles, notably "Declining Crime Rates of the 1990s: Predicting Booms and Busts." Annual Review of Sociology volume 25 pages 145-168 and "Crime and Economic Incentives" Journal of Human Resources volume 39 number 4. The evidence provided by crime stats, and relative to periods of economic plenty or economic drought is pretty good. So far it is the best sociological model for crime.
Family structure plays a role, but this too is influenced by economic conditions. Drugs are influenced by economic conditions. Everything is influenced by your economic condition.
You may know rich criminals and honest poor people, but you don't know everyone in the United States. Also, this is NOT saying that EVERY poor person is a criminal. This IS saying that crime is linked to economic situation. There is relatively little crime in the United States. The first world has lower crime rates than the third world (urbanized areas). So this continues to solidify the correlation between economics and crime. Central Lagos is more dangerous than central Detroit which is more dangerous than central Los Angeles which is more dangerous than central New York (Manhattan).
This is part of the reason why we need to train and educate everyone in our borders. If we can create a stable economic situation for everyone in our borders, we can reduce a stressor towards crime. This would increase our middle class and prevent us from going into the third world model of society (the haves and the have nots). A solid education and good training are the keys to obtaining a stable job. So if we help the children of the illegals (yes they should have come here legally, but they are here already so reflection won't change anything), then we can set in motion the engine for change within the community and assimilation into not only the cultural aspects of our nation, but also the economic aspects as well.
Stats can be misleading. The increases in crime could come from a reduction in law enforcement. I remember in New York City during the early nintys the amount of police officers were increased. They also went after quality of life petty criminals such as pan handlers, turnstile jumpers, ect.. When the criminals found out they could not longer get away with there crimes they stopped commiting them.
I don't think that crime is linked to a direct lack of shelter, food or clothing. I do believe it is linked to drugs, greed and lazyness.
I do agree with you that we should educate and train everyone but only if they make amends for there crimes and become citizens.
Stats can be misleading. The increases in crime could come from a reduction in law enforcement. I remember in New York City during the early nintys the amount of police officers were increased. They also went after quality of life petty criminals such as pan handlers, turnstile jumpers, ect.. When the criminals found out they could not longer get away with there crimes they stopped commiting them.
I don't think that crime is linked to a direct lack of shelter, food or clothing. I do believe it is linked to drugs, greed and lazyness.
I do agree with you that we should educate and train everyone but only if they make amends for there crimes and become citizens.
As for New York, they have the same level of police protection, but is experiencing an increase of homocides and actually the slowest decrease in crime in years. As the economy weakens, crime gradually increases. It is not an overnight thing.
If it were a question of greed, then why don't the middle class simply steal then work? I can tell you because it's not greed. Greed implies that they are in a good financial situation. Greed implies that there are job opporutinities in these communities. Greed implies another way.
Drug issues result from stress. The most common stressor in America is financial stress. See, drugs are a way to escape. Zoloft is a drug. It regulates the uptake of dopamine. You know what else does the same thing but with less efficacy? Cocaine, crack, meth. The high is nearly the same mechanism, an MAOI (monoamino oxidase inhibitor), preventing the break down (the oxidation) of dopamine. I was a biopsychology/history/sociology major. I understand the connection between drugs and society pretty well. These drugs are regulated (Zoloft, etc.) and hence safer and legal. These illegal drugs have the same biological function, but with a higher efficay (does the inhibition at a higher rate). Hence the addiction is stronger (also has to do with the degregation of the drug, and how it is flushed out of the body, but these details are really confusing to explain).
So, it could be because there are "good" people and "bad" people and everyone is either category. Or it is that people have basic insticts and do what is more lucrative. The second makes more sense.
Because crossing the border illegally and overstaying one's visa ARE NOT crimes? By committing one of said actions illegals can't be considered criminals who deserve to be deported and criticized for what they did intentionally?
Should we just automatically embrace the presence of millions illegal aliens whom the average citizen will likely know little to nothing about regarding their backgrounds and other necessary personal information?
Instead of criticizing and condemning those who broke our laws intentionally, we should treat them as if they had done nothing wrong.
Should those who broke our laws intentionally get a free pass for some reason?
I'm having a hard time understanding your logic. Please explain if you will even bother doing so.
No one wants to leave their home land in search for better living conditions. But the conditions have deteriorated so badly by those who have interfered with their resources and livelihood.
Forget about the pull factors. What about the push?
Is it not a criminal act to create the harsh conditions under which these people live or have you conveniently forgotten what you have done to them?
Perhaps, we should seek pragmatic and diplomatic solutions to a recurring problem. After all, we all have a role to play in creating this far-reaching social, political and economic problem
No one wants to leave their home land in search for better living conditions. But the conditions have deteriorated so badly by those who have interfered with their resources and livelihood.
Forget the pull factors. What about the push?
Is it not a criminal act to create the harsh conditions under which these people live or have you conveniently forgotten what you have done to them?
Perhaps, we should seek pragmatic and diplomatic solutions to a recurring problem. After all, we all had a role to play in creating this far-reaching social, political and economic problem
Specifically how have we interfered with their resources and livelihood? And what exactly is it that we have done to them?
No one wants to leave their home land in search for better living conditions. But the conditions have deteriorated so badly by those who have interfered with their resources and livelihood.
Forget about the pull factors. What about the push?
Is it not a criminal act to create the harsh conditions under which these people live or have you conveniently forgotten what you have done to them?
Perhaps, we should seek pragmatic and diplomatic solutions to a recurring problem. After all, we all have a role to play in creating this far-reaching social, political and economic problem
Try again:
Using just Mexico as our guinea pig: that nation is not poor; maybe if the peons SOB 'grew a pair'...........their nation would be better.
Our American Blacks bucked and fought for their (well deserved) Civil Rights two generations ago so precedent has been set.
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