How many illegal aliens are currently entering the United States? (Canadian, wages)
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Zero. It's been 12 million illegals in the US for over 10 years.
That means for every one that comes, one goes back.
While every other lifeform grows in population numbers, the illegals have not. A constant 12 million for over 10 years.
That is one stat for the history books eh folks ?
The real answer is that we don't know how many are here, how many come across every week.
WE DON'T KNOW.
Grant amnesty though and we'll get a pretty good idea. When Reagan did it it ended up being near twice the official projections.
I posted the link to a chart earlier that shows the Border Patrol apprehensions since 1925 (they formed up in 1924). There are seven years that average close to a million and a half removed per year, and another 14 years that average out over a million per year. That's over 25 million Border Patrol removals in the last twenty years.
If the illegal alien population had ballooned up over those years, it would have been caught by many organizations (like what "malamute" sourced), and impossible to cover up (especially over many administrations)...
I do believe the Border Patrol chart, and feel that it shows illegal immigration "new arrivals" are really dropping off. My pick on the poll takes those numbers to mind, where I believe the Border Patrol is catching almost all new entries. All the statistics have to resolve for me to trust the numbers.
"New arrivals" aren't dropping off around here. If anything there are more illegals than ever.
Again, how are you determining they are more recent arrivals of illegal aliens?...
I mean, your "around here" is closer to Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Kansas, Mississippi, and even New Mexico, than to the border with Mexico...
I too chose 1-5K based on a statement by a BP agent that they catch an average on 100 per night in Nogales. Considering this is one small area, and includes only those they actually catch, I think the total number would be at least 3K on average, and closer to 5K at times.
I dont think the border agents are really trying to catch most of the illegals. On the border guard tv show you see several agents walking around trying to sneak up on groups of illegals when WE ALL KNOW A DOG COULD DO THE JOB 100 TIMES BETTER.. Why no dogs? One trained dog could locate more illegals in 10 minutes than dozens of foot patrol guys could in a day...
Unless it has dropped off much more drastically, I would say in 2012 it would be between 100 to 1000 a day, based on the granularity I selected in making the poll. In reality, I had little of a preconceived notion of what it might be.
The number of agents means nothing when their hands are tied. Most are too afraid they'll be accused of harassment, or the dreaded racism label. They know if they dare use deadly force when warranted, they'll most likely be prosecuted and risk imprisonment and their livelihood. They can't be effective, because they're not allowed to actually uphold the law. The same applies to ICE.
After all, it's now considered racist and inhumane not to welcome illegals with open arms, and embrace them as members of the "immigrant" community. If they managed to survive their trek through the scorching desert or swim the Rio Grande, we "owe" them an opportunity to seek a better life. And, only the bigots, xenophobes, and nativists oppose their illegal presence.
Who can present credible evidence to prove illegal immigration has "dropped off?" Certainly not the government.
Selecting "5000 or more per day" in my poll would have a growth of around 1.5 million illegal immigrants per year at minimum (allowing for what the Border Patrol is reporting for apprehensions). That might have been true in previous years, but doesn't match up with the most recent data for what is currently happening. Keep in mind I am using to same source you quote here.
You also didn't say what portion of those numbers you attributed to the Border Crossing Cards and asylum cases...
Most "recent" data? Please. None of the so-called data, recent or otherwise, has even a semblance of accuracy. It's all a guesstimate, and always has been, which, IMO, is a national disgrace. We must be the only country in the world with such a lackadaisical attitude regarding border security and illegal entries. Of course, unlike the US, most countries don't have untold millions living there illegally, because they actually protect their borders from foreign incursion. They take their sovereignty and national security seriously.
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum
I posted the link to a chart earlier that shows the Border Patrol apprehensions since 1925 (they formed up in 1924). There are seven years that average close to a million and a half removed per year, and another 14 years that average out over a million per year. That's over 25 million Border Patrol removals in the last twenty years.
If the illegal alien population had ballooned up over those years, it would have been caught by many organizations (like what "malamute" sourced), and impossible to cover up (especially over many administrations)...
I do believe the Border Patrol chart, and feel that it shows illegal immigration "new arrivals" are really dropping off. My pick on the poll takes those numbers to mind, where I believe the Border Patrol is catching almost all new entries. All the statistics have to resolve for me to trust the numbers.
Again, nothing but guesstimates. Should we also estimate the number of Mexican drug cartel members in this country by the number apprehended at the border? Illegal immigration is the only category the government "estimates" based on the number apprehended, and then compiles "official" data as if it has a shred of reliability. They certainly don't presume to know the number of ID thieves, child molesters, rapists, or murderers based on the number they apprehend. This is total BS.
So, if they apprehend 1,000 how many can we "assume" they didn't catch?
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum
Again, how are you determining they are more recent arrivals of illegal aliens?...
I mean, your "around here" is closer to Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Kansas, Mississippi, and even New Mexico, than to the border with Mexico...
How can anyone determine whether an illegal alien is a recent arrival? Perhaps you'd like to explain. Furthermore, IMO, it makes no difference whether they came yesterday or 10 years ago. Why do you believe we should find comfort in an assumed reduction in recent arrivals? Regardless, we still have untold millions sucking us dry.
There are illegals that visit my home on occasion. Mostly from South America...If they are good people..who see opportunity in Canada and want to work..and be honest citizens..They have my full support...The ones that I do not like are immigrants who get legal then hire and abuse illegals...Those types should have their legality revoked and should have be deported...Canada does not need users who operate like criminals...
No I am not a lefty. It just makes sense to me that we must filter out those that are good and honest people from the cut throat opportunists that have come to use and abuse our clean system...I don't want Canada tainted by creeps.
There are illegals that visit my home on occasion. Mostly from South America...If they are good people..who see opportunity in Canada and want to work..and be honest citizens..They have my full support...The ones that I do not like are immigrants who get legal then hire and abuse illegals...Those types should have their legality revoked and should have be deported...Canada does not need users who operate like criminals...
No I am not a lefty. It just makes sense to me that we must filter out those that are good and honest people from the cut throat opportunists that have come to use and abuse our clean system...I don't want Canada tainted by creeps.
How does doing something illegally equate to being good and honest?
There are illegals that visit my home on occasion. Mostly from South America...If they are good people..who see opportunity in Canada and want to work..and be honest citizens..They have my full support...The ones that I do not like are immigrants who get legal then hire and abuse illegals...Those types should have their legality revoked and should have be deported...Canada does not need users who operate like criminals...
No I am not a lefty. It just makes sense to me that we must filter out those that are good and honest people from the cut throat opportunists that have come to use and abuse our clean system...I don't want Canada tainted by creeps.
You're fortunate that illegal immigration in Canada hasn't reached critical mass. Illegals aren't closing your hospitals, displacing your workers, depressing wages, overcrowding your schools, and bankrupting your country. It's easy to be hospitable when illegal immigration isn't a problem. We were very generous in 1986 when the government "estimated" less than 1 million were here illegally, but when the dust settled, 3 million applied and were granted amnesty. Now, it's out of control. You don't have our problem.
The number of agents means nothing when their hands are tied. Most are too afraid they'll be accused of harassment, or the dreaded racism label. They know if they dare use deadly force when warranted, they'll most likely be prosecuted and risk imprisonment and their livelihood. They can't be effective, because they're not allowed to actually uphold the law. The same applies to ICE.
After all, it's now considered racist and inhumane not to welcome illegals with open arms, and embrace them as members of the "immigrant" community. If they managed to survive their trek through the scorching desert or swim the Rio Grande, we "owe" them an opportunity to seek a better life. And, only the bigots, xenophobes, and nativists oppose their illegal presence.
Who can present credible evidence to prove illegal immigration has "dropped off?" Certainly not the government.
Most "recent" data? Please. None of the so-called data, recent or otherwise, has even a semblance of accuracy. It's all a guesstimate, and always has been, which, IMO, is a national disgrace. We must be the only country in the world with such a lackadaisical attitude regarding border security and illegal entries. Of course, unlike the US, most countries don't have untold millions living there illegally, because they actually protect their borders from foreign incursion. They take their sovereignty and national security seriously.
Again, nothing but guesstimates. Should we also estimate the number of Mexican drug cartel members in this country by the number apprehended at the border? Illegal immigration is the only category the government "estimates" based on the number apprehended, and then compiles "official" data as if it has a shred of reliability. They certainly don't presume to know the number of ID thieves, child molesters, rapists, or murderers based on the number they apprehend. This is total BS.
So, if they apprehend 1,000 how many can we "assume" they didn't catch?
How can anyone determine whether an illegal alien is a recent arrival? Perhaps you'd like to explain. Furthermore, IMO, it makes no difference whether they came yesterday or 10 years ago. Why do you believe we should find comfort in an assumed reduction in recent arrivals? Regardless, we still have untold millions sucking us dry.
I agree. Until we rid ourselves of the millions here illegally already what is the purpose of gauging how many more are entering each day?
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