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I don't have a problem with people coming here to earn an honest living either. But if they aren't here legally they aren't doing it honestly.
And I blame the government and the employers as much as I blame them personally.
The government has no business giving tax payer money to anyone on this soil illegally, IMO. And as far as anchor babies go, they are the responsibilty of their parents until they reach the age of emancipation and should not qualify for any benefits until they reach that age.
I also believe our government should halt all immigration into the country when our unemployment rates reach a certain level. Obviously, taxpayers are footing the bill for the unemployed so why are we bringing in more people when we aren't able to provide jobs for those that are here? When unemployment is this high, you can't necessarily blame some of the people that are unemployed. But as the unemployment rates go down, the access to subsidies should go down too.
We should only be bringing people in on a basis of skills that are in short supply here. JMO
Also, an "honest" living isn't working under the table to avoid taxes or using fake or stolen I.D.s to do so either. The first dishonest thing they do is violate our immigration laws. How honest is it to undercut an American for a job by working for much less without work authorization in the first place? I don't see anything honest about illegal immigration at all nor would most rational people.
I don't have a problem with people coming here to earn an honest living either. But if they aren't here legally they aren't doing it honestly.
And I blame the government and the employers as much as I blame them personally.
The government has no business giving tax payer money to anyone on this soil illegally, IMO. And as far as anchor babies go, they are the responsibilty of their parents until they reach the age of emancipation and should not qualify for any benefits until they reach that age.
I also believe our government should halt all immigration into the country when our unemployment rates reach a certain level. Obviously, taxpayers are footing the bill for the unemployed so why are we bringing in more people when we aren't able to provide jobs for those that are here? When unemployment is this high, you can't necessarily blame some of the people that are unemployed. But as the unemployment rates go down, the access to subsidies should go down too.
We should only be bringing people in on a basis of skills that are in short supply here. JMO
"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat
in the same way that i don't think of pot smokers, coke users, moonshiners, raw milk sellers as criminals or breaking the law, i don't see illegals as breaking the law either. someone who comes over here illegally to do an honest job, has their integrity intact in my humble opinion
the govt has no right to give taxpayers money to anyone, legal or illegal
Also, an "honest" living isn't working under the table to avoid taxes or using fake or stolen I.D.s to do so either. The first dishonest thing they do is violate our immigration laws. How honest is it to undercut an American for a job by working for much less without work authorization in the first place? I don't see anything honest about illegal immigration at all nor would most rational people.
if your kids were starving and breaking immigration laws were all that was holding you back from providing, i'm sure you wouldn't hesitate
"When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law." -Frederic Bastiat
in the same way that i don't think of pot smokers, coke users, moonshiners, raw milk sellers as criminals or breaking the law, i don't see illegals as breaking the law either. someone who comes over here illegally to do an honest job, has their integrity intact in my humble opinion
the govt has no right to give taxpayers money to anyone, legal or illegal
I guess maybe I could agree with you if that were the case. However, in the case of Mexico, where the unemployment rate is 4% and people aren't starving in the street, and where they also have free health care, I disagree with your reference to integrity.
The citizens of the US are held to the standard of working above the table and taking legitimate jobs. When the market is flooded with those that aren't held to that same standard it changes the playing field and puts citizens at a disadvantage.
There are several people that don't consider pot smokers and coke users criminals, so does that make the cartels that are providing these products legitimate employers as well?
Of course we aren't all going to agree on what laws make sense because we are very diverse people. The problem seems to be in coming to a consensus on what the consequences are for not enforcing the laws on the books. And unemployed people may not agree that those coming from another country and putting themselves in a position to send billions of dollars back to their homeland every year are playing fair.
if your kids were starving and breaking immigration laws were all that was holding you back from providing, i'm sure you wouldn't hesitate
And if 1/6 Americans live in poverty and there are millions of illegals holding jobs instead of Americans, then I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to enforce our immigration laws, correct?
And if 1/6 Americans live in poverty and there are millions of illegals holding jobs instead of Americans, then I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to enforce our immigration laws, correct?
no, i want to hire the person who does the best job, in the least time for the lowest amount of money possible! every single person on the planet wants the same thing. when we buy something we want the highest quality for the lowest price. i don't care who does the job for me, those are the overiding factors
no, i want to hire the person who does the best job, in the least time for the lowest amount of money possible! every single person on the planet wants the same thing. when we buy something we want the highest quality for the lowest price. i don't care who does the job for me, those are the overiding factors
But are you overlooking the simple fact that all those low paid workers are also the ones getting food stamps, housing etc at taxpayer expense? Or is it that if you, personally, can hire someone cheap it's OK to let the taxpayers support your bottom line through taxes?
You may want to check out some of the problems that have arisen from the workmanship of some of this line of cheap labor. Lawsuits can be pricy.
But are you overlooking the simple fact that all those low paid workers are also the ones getting food stamps, housing etc at taxpayer expense? Or is it that if you, personally, can hire someone cheap it's OK to let the taxpayers support your bottom line through taxes?
You may want to check out some of the problems that have arisen from the workmanship of some of this line of cheap labor. Lawsuits can be pricy.
chicken or egg? which came first. personally i think the welfare nonsense preceded the rash of illegal immigration!
i wouldn't hire an unskilled worker to do a skilled job! that has zero to do with illegal immigration and more to do with common sense. if i do hire someone on the cheap to do a skilled job, i deserve the lawsuit that's coming my way
chicken or egg? which came first. personally i think the welfare nonsense preceded the rash of illegal immigration!
i wouldn't hire an unskilled worker to do a skilled job! that has zero to do with illegal immigration and more to do with common sense. if i do hire someone on the cheap to do a skilled job, i deserve the lawsuit that's coming my way
But at least you will have taken the moral high ground and hired someone that will undercut a citizen. God knows they are hungrier than our poor.
And if 1/6 Americans live in poverty and there are millions of illegals holding jobs instead of Americans, then I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate to enforce our immigration laws, correct?
It is a myth anyway that most illegals are starving in their countries. It is just that they can make more money here. Have you ever seen pictures of these illegals crossing our borders? None of them look starved to me and in fact some are overweight.
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