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Wave a wand, would you support tomorrow (if they could) for law enforcement to detain everyone they stopped (valid lawful contact) that could not confirm their true immigration status? No profiling, understanding that law enforcement would properly be doing their jobs in knowing aliens can look and sound like citizens? Would there also be a choice to expand the same principle to checkpoints that could be throughout the United States?
Of course. By the way, citizens don't have an immigration status. To my knowledge that is what is being done right now anyway. If you can prove your legality in this country you are sent on your way. If you cannot you are detained. So what's new?
You are implying that LE are detaining people simply based on how they sound and look and that is not true in the first place.
Reading comprehension again? Please re-read my post again since I said that we have citizens of every ethnic group that would also mean that "there are aliens that look and sound exactly like U.S. citizens".
Citizens look like aliens. Aliens look like citizens. They both look like each other.
There are aliens that look and sound exactly like U.S. citizens...
It means exactly as I say it...
Even if some illegals look and sound like citizens, in the final analysis, they lack documentation to prove they have a right to be here. Therein lies the difference.
Like it or not, illegal aliens have no legal claim to this country. Nor should they whine when we enforce our laws. They knew the risks when they crossed our borders, or overstayed visas. When one chooses to live outside the law, one must also accept the consequences. It’s way past time for illegals to pay the piper.
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Originally Posted by IBMMuseum
Wave a wand, would you support tomorrow (if they could) for law enforcement to detain everyone they stopped (valid lawful contact) that could not confirm their true immigration status? No profiling, understanding that law enforcement would properly be doing their jobs in knowing aliens can look and sound like citizens? Would there also be a choice to expand the same principle to checkpoints that could be throughout the United States?
You’re desperate, and you’re grasping at straws. Give it up. For the umpteenth time, legal immigrants are required to carry documentation AT ALL TIMES. If they can’t comply with our immigration requirements, they should stay home. And, by “home” I mean their country of origin.
Of course. By the way, citizens don't have an immigration status. To my knowledge that is what is being done right now anyway. If you can prove your legality in this country you are sent on your way. If you cannot you are detained. So what's new?
You are implying that LE are detaining people simply based on how they sound and look and that is not true in the first place.
U.S. citizens certainly do have an immigration status. Why do you think that the Border Patrol would stop me unless they wanted to know my immigration status? They are satisfied with a verbal declaration from me (remember how dangerous I said that was? - I am implying that law enforcement officers are not detaining people based on how they look and sound) - and I can legally refuse to provide it, without any lasting consequence - but in this case I am taking about having to show a defined document you would be carrying.
Good enough criteria for checkpoints throughout the United States too?...
There is no circumstance under which law enforcement can stop a citizen and force him to produce documentation of his citizenship. It is not allowed. It is unconstitutional.
In fact without an articuable suspicion of a crime there is no legal way to stop a citizen to ask for identification. It is unconstitutional.
The Alabama cop is a criminal...and of a very bad sort. One who does illegal activity under the cloak of authority. He should be arrested if he has ever carried out his claim.
Having ended up with garbage all over your faces on the original post it is amazing that you persevere.
Even if some illegals look and sound like citizens, in the final analysis, they lack documentation to prove they have a right to be here. Therein lies the difference.
Like it or not, illegal aliens have no legal claim to this country. Nor should they whine when we enforce our laws. They knew the risks when they crossed our borders, or overstayed visas. When one chooses to live outside the law, one must also accept the consequences. It’s way past time for illegals to pay the piper...
It was just a comment that aliens look and sound like U.S. citizens...
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Originally Posted by Benicar
...You’re desperate, and you’re grasping at straws. Give it up. For the umpteenth time, legal immigrants are required to carry documentation AT ALL TIMES. If they can’t comply with our immigration requirements, they should stay home. And, by “home” I mean their country of origin.
I am incredibly calm in posing the question, why won't you answer it?...
U.S. citizens certainly do have an immigration status. Why do you think that the Border Patrol would stop me unless they wanted to know my immigration status? They are satisfied with a verbal declaration from me (remember how dangerous I said that was? - I am implying that law enforcement officers are not detaining people based on how they look and sound) - and I can legally refuse to provide it, without any lasting consequence - but in this case I am taking about having to show a defined document you would be carrying.
Good enough criteria for checkpoints throughout the United States too?...
What on earth are you talking about? U.S. citizens do NOT have an “immigration” status. Only “immigrants” have an immigration status. Citizens have a “citizenship” status. They are either born in this country (native/natural-born citizen), or they immigrate here and are granted citizenship status by our government (naturalized citizen). Good night.
There is no circumstance under which law enforcement can stop a citizen and force him to produce documentation of his citizenship. It is not allowed. It is unconstitutional.
In fact without an articuable suspicion of a crime there is no legal way to stop a citizen to ask for identification. It is unconstitutional.
The Alabama cop is a criminal...and of a very bad sort. One who does illegal activity under the cloak of authority. He should be arrested if he has ever carried out his claim.
Having ended up with garbage all over your faces on the original post it is amazing that you persevere.
No one has even remotely implied that ANYONE must show proof of U.S. citizenship. Furthermore, if it is unconstitutional for “immigrants” to show proof of legal status, then you should inform USCIS, because THEY require all immigrants to carry documentation AT ALL TIMES. Look it up, I’m going to bed.
No one has garbage over their face, other than those who pathetically attempt to defend the indefensible foreign invaders.
U.S. citizens also often lack the documentation that they would carry on a daily basis to prove they have a right to be here...
They don’t have to carry them. They only have to access them. And, I don’t know any citizen who can’t.
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