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Old 04-13-2011, 03:49 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by Cyanna View Post
I DEMAND that La Raza and all its supporters sign a "Pledge for Respect" for...

1. Our AMERICAN flag, with the stipulation that they do not burn it, trample it, spit on it, fly it upside down or desecrate it in any other way. Nor should they display the Mexican flag in their home windows, on their vehicles or on their t-****s.

2. Our LANGUAGE. Instead of expecting us to bow down and accommodate them, let THEM show some gratitude by learning to understand US!

3. Our WAY OF LIFE - please teach these people that here in America we do NOT take a mid-day siesta, and then wake up at 10:00pm to throw a loud ass, annoying and peace disturbing Fiesta until 5:00am!

4. Our STREETS, NEIGHBORHOODS, HOMES and BUILDINGS - contrary to what these people believe, we do not consider graffiti to be acceptable, nor do we consider it to be pleasant to look at. Furthermore, we have trash cans in this country for a reason. PLEASE teach them to use them instead of throwing their trash all over the place. This includes leaving disgusting, filthy diapers in public bathrooms, on the sidewalk or floating in a swimming pool.

5. Our desire for SAFETY & SECURITY - maybe where they come from gang turf wars are acceptable to declare "ownership" of public or another's personal property, but here, if you want to own something, you have to BUY & PAY FOR IT! If you want to kill each other over dirt and bricks then go back to where you came from.

6. Our LAWS - we have laws for a reason in this country, and if you break them you should expect to pay the price. If you want to drive without insurance, go back to where you came from and hurt or kill your own countrymen/women.

Please feel free to add to this list
Even if one agrees or disagrees with NCLR and their message and tactics, one can see that the Pledge asked lawmakers to avoid sterotypical language and erronous information in making decisions of law.

Sterotypical and erronous language like "gang banger", "tagger", "filthy", "lazy".

 
Old 04-13-2011, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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it would be absolutely stupid to demand "respect"...but that is not the case. The inititive was to ask lawmakers to sign a "pledge" of respect


While we do not expect everyone to always agree with our positions, we ask that each and every member of Congress pledge to:
1. Acknowledge that Latinos make economic, civic, and cultural contributions to our communities and to the nation.

2. Engage in civil discourse and publicly oppose irresponsible rhetoric that dehumanizes and scapegoats Latinos, exploiting xenophobia for political gain.

3. Take a solutions-oriented, fact-based approach to evaluating public policy options for solving our nation’s most pressing problems.

4. Meet with advocates and leaders from the Hispanic nonprofit and business communities to hear a Latino perspective on the issues and to find areas of common ground based on our shared values and interests.

I endorse this pledge:

________________________________
Name of member of Congress

________________________________
Signature

________________________________
Date


I dont see many "demands" here.


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Take a solutions-oriented, fact-based approach to evaluating public policy options for solving our nation’s most pressing problems.

Fact: Illegal immigration is a pressing problem.

Fact: Most illegal aliens are Hispanic.

Fact: Hispanics have the highest teen birthrate in the USA.

Fact: Hispanics have the highest high school dropout rate in the USA.

Fact: Hispanics have an incarceration rate nearly four times that of whites.

Fact: Hispanic males are the fastest growing segment of the U.S. prison population.


Are these some of the economic, civic, and cultural contributions that they are speaking of?
 
Old 04-13-2011, 05:25 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Fact: Illegal immigration is a pressing problem.

Fact: Most illegal aliens are Hispanic.

Fact: Hispanics have the highest teen birthrate in the USA.

Fact: Hispanics have the highest high school dropout rate in the USA.

Fact: Hispanics have an incarceration rate nearly four times that of whites.

Fact: Hispanic males are the fastest growing segment of the U.S. prison population.


Are these some of the economic, civic, and cultural contributions that they are speaking of?
Your concerns should be discussed with those [NCLR] that proposed the pledge. I cannot answer your concerns for the simple fact: that any or all of the "facts" which you listed and that concern you, have little or nothing to do with Immigration reform. You can debate cultrual contributions till the cows come home, and still not understand that has no bearing in immigration reform.

Unless you would care to explain how your "facts" shape the immigration reform debate and how they foster or promote any change in the status quo of immigration reform? Other than adding to the noise.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Your concerns should be discussed with those [NCLR] that proposed the pledge. I cannot answer your concerns for the simple fact: that any or all of the "facts" which you listed and that concern you, have little or nothing to do with Immigration reform. You can debate cultrual contributions till the cows come home, and still not understand that has no bearing in immigration reform.

Unless you would care to explain how your "facts" shape the immigration reform debate and how they foster or promote any change in the status quo of immigration reform? Other than adding to the noise.
.

Why do you put the word facts in parentheses repeatedly? These are all facts like it or not. Can you debunk them? Please feel free to try. These facts have very much to do with imigration reform. These facts show how immigration both legal and illegal is damaging the country. Immigration needs to be reformed by reducing immigration of all kinds.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Why do you put the word facts in parentheses repeatedly? These are all facts like it or not. Can you debunk them? Please feel free to try. These facts have very much to do with imigration reform. These facts show how immigration both legal and illegal is damaging the country. Immigration needs to be reformed by reducing immigration of all kinds.
You are trying to connect fact A with problem B to argue solution C.
Disconnected reasoning.

To look at the "fact" of Hispanic birthrates and try to address that "Problem" with immigration reform is disconnected reasoning at best.

You may have the correct fact, that hispanic birthrates are the highest, but you have given any supporting evidence that those hispanic women are link to illegal aliens or any other group. To simple say that most illegals are hispanic and therefore most hispanic births are of illegals or...what ever you are trying to argue... I cant even follow your reasoning.

facts are not evidence. facts are stand alone information. prove your point by correctly linking facts to actual circumstances to make a valid arguement.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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You are trying to connect fact A with problem B to argue solution C.
Disconnected reasoning.

To look at the "fact" of Hispanic birthrates and try to address that "Problem" with immigration reform is disconnected reasoning at best.

You may have the correct fact, that hispanic birthrates are the highest, but you have given any supporting evidence that those hispanic women are link to illegal aliens or any other group. To simple say that most illegals are hispanic and therefore most hispanic births are of illegals or...what ever you are trying to argue... I cant even follow your reasoning.

facts are not evidence. facts are stand alone information. prove your point by correctly linking facts to actual circumstances to make a valid arguement.


You have been confronted with facts which you don't like and can't debunk so you attempt to spin things. You have failed here- as usual....
 
Old 04-13-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Even if one agrees or disagrees with NCLR and their message and tactics, one can see that the Pledge asked lawmakers to avoid sterotypical language and erronous information in making decisions of law.

Sterotypical and erronous language like "gang banger", "tagger", "filthy", "lazy".
We should demand that stereotypical and erroneous language like "xenophobe", "hater", "racist", etc. be avoided in labeling Americans who want our immigration laws respected and enforced also. It's a two way street. These are words that many ethnocentric Hispanics use to describe us.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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We should demand that stereotypical and erroneous language like "xenophobe", "hater", "racist", etc. be avoided in labeling Americans who want our immigration laws respected and enforced also. It's a two way street. These are words that many ethnocentric Hispanics use to describe us.

 
Old 04-13-2011, 07:42 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You have been confronted with facts which you don't like and can't debunk so you attempt to spin things. You have failed here- as usual....
A fact is a fact, what you claim those facts to show has not been proven...for me to "disprove" or "debunk" your contention is ridiculous, because what you contend is ridiculous. I dont need to debunk the ridiculous.

Here is my proof, a majority of the American people dont hold your absurd contentions...If they did, your "solutions" would be the law of the land.
 
Old 04-13-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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We should demand that stereotypical and erroneous language like "xenophobe", "hater", "racist", etc. be avoided in labeling Americans who want our immigration laws respected and enforced also. It's a two way street. These are words that many ethnocentric Hispanics use to describe us.
demand whatever makes you happy...Do you base your behavior and your actions on the actions of idiots?
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