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Old 02-12-2009, 03:34 PM
 
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Depending on how you want to interpret it. If you consider drugs part of inter-state commerce.


Article 1, Section 8-

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
What I choose to grow on my property has nothing to do with inter-state commerce.
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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Article 1, Section 8-

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
So if I grow it myself, or if I purchase some that has never crossed state lines, the feds have no authority?

How, then is criminalization of possession justified?
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Real America
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simple; If you smoke pot than you're a hippie, and hippies suck.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So if I grow it myself, or if I purchase some that has never crossed state lines, the feds have no authority?

How, then is criminalization of possession justified?

The Supreme Court already ruled on home-grown marijuana and the Third Circuit Court of Appeals already ruled on home-made machine guns. Suffice to say the rulings were not favorable in either case.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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So you are saying that there is no Constitutional authority other than they can because they say they can.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:55 PM
 
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So you are saying that there is no Constitutional authority other than they can because they say they can.

I'm saying that what the Constitution says and what the courts say, are often two different things. I believe that a federal ban on marijuana violates the 10th amendment (it is up to the states to decide), and I believe that any federal regulations on firearms violate the 2nd and 10th amendments. But it's not a matter of what I believe, it's a matter of what handpicked judges believe.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:55 PM
 
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If things fall to heck with people driving under the influence of heroin, marijuana, etc, then we can always crack down and really tighten things up.
....ie after it's too late and people have gotten hurt or even killed? Pass.


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Only if that person is Barack Obama trying to sing "THE HILLS ARE ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE, WITH THE SOUND OF MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSIC" operatically.
Oh thanks a lot Now I'm gonna have bad dreams.


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I posted this way back near the beginning of this thread, and I have yet to see anyone even attempt to address it.

Under what Constitutional authority does the federal government make marijuana illegal?
Under what Constitutional authority does the federal government impose speed limits? Mandate labeling of ingrediants of food? Outlaw child labor? etc etc etc?

A govt's inherent responsibility, at least in part, is to take care and watch over its people.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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....ie after it's too late and people have gotten hurt or even killed? Pass.

People could get killed driving while on cellphones, or just while driving due to lack of skill/attention. Do we ban driving, do we ban cellphones? People could die from swimming pools, do we ban those?

Where does the line get drawn? Are we going to mandate everybody wear safety pads and football helmets everywhere they go so they don't get hurt when they fall?
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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People could get killed driving while on cellphones, or just while driving due to lack of skill/attention. Do we ban driving, do we ban cellphones? People could die from swimming pools, do we ban those?

Where does the line get drawn? Are we going to mandate everybody wear safety pads and football helmets everywhere they go so they don't get hurt when they fall?
I hope you're kidding.

People here seem to love silly analogies. I bet those gun control debates are a hoot
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Michigan--good on the rocks
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Under what Constitutional authority does the federal government impose speed limits? Mandate labeling of ingrediants of food? Outlaw child labor? etc etc etc?

A govt's inherent responsibility, at least in part, is to take care and watch over its people.
I prefer my government to stay within its legal bounds, thank you very much. Our Constitution was written the way it was for good reason. Unless it is constrained, it has the alarming tendency to grow at rates unseen elsewhere in the universe. It also has an even more alarming tendency to usurp power at every possible opportunity. The federal government has no rights or powers not specifically granted to it by the Constitution, unless we the people are to lazy and complacent to care or do anything about it.

I do not under any circumstances subscribe to the theory that the government should "Take care of me"; that should be left to the States or to the People, respectively.
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