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View Poll Results: Does the DNC actively working against Sanders bother you?
Yes 115 74.68%
No 39 25.32%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-23-2016, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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You have been offering some very compelling rebuttals.
When one is defending corruption, it is normally best to keep rebuttles short and to the point.
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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There are 20000 emails to rummage through. Unbelievable stuff. Heavy.com is categorizing some of the more damaging ones as they become known:

WikiLeaks List: Most Damaging Emails About DNC, Clinton, & Bernie | Heavy.com
Just think if it's leaking all during the convention? Does it overshadow the convention? Would that actually be a good thing for the (D)'s?
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Just think if it's leaking all during the convention? Does it overshadow the convention? Would that actually be a good thing for the (D)'s?
The long term impact is going to be significant. Supporters of three corrupt system could always pentend it isn't so. Now they have to make a literal stand for corruption as they are doing in this forum. It changes the complexion of the debate and what people must confront politically in our society. There is no way any longer to deny it or pretend it doesn't exist. There Democratic Party is throughly and irredeemably corrupt as is the corporate media that works with it.

A large portion of our society has been co-opted by corruption. The question is how do those who are not react?
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:54 PM
 
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The latest Gravis poll, which has average accuracy, and patially includes the #DNCleak news cycle, had Trump up by +2 in a head to head with Clinton. Very encouraging that people are reacting to some of the most damaging political information that had ever been released. I believe the full gravity of the collision between Clinton, DNC, and the corporate media has yet to be digested. It's everything that we thought and feared it is.

I hope Stein and Johnson are included in future polls.
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Old 07-23-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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Won't there always be a difference between the rich and the poor? We have always had the rich and we have always had the poor. I don't know how we will change that.

Yes, now we have a public school system. Which is horrid in some states ~ so the rich just send their kids to private school. How will we *fix* that?

I do think property taxes are one horrible way to fund the public schools. We've about priced the elderly and the young out of our town entirely ~ because they can't pay the personal property tax. Now that my kid is in college; I'm thinking I could do without it as well.

Of course we should work on leveling the playing field. I just don't think we will ever all be equal in terms of wealth or influence.
Who are you replying though? I never said we should all be equal in terms of wealth and influence. So you should direct this reply to whoever said that we should all be equal in terms of wealth.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Well, I apologize for not sitting idle waiting either a miracle to happen or for a free handout. I am a working class citizen like yourself (I assume). I did what I felt I needed to do and I earned both of my degrees while supporting myself. BTW, what's mind-boggling is why you are automatically generalizing rich kids as being lazy. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Here's another news flash: The world is not a fair place and never will be. There will often be someone else who is more disadvantage than you. Once you are able to recognize the roadblocks, you come up with a plan and work around those kinks.
You are the one who are arguing that the working class and middle class who fight for their own interests are lazy though, while you take pride in supporting policies and measures that favor the rich. So I think it is fair to call it what it is, the rich lazy kid in high school will have great advantages, while many hard working pupils from working class and lower income backgrounds are seeing the dream of college slip away. And members of the working class cheer this on and take pride in shooting themselves in the foot! This is mind boggling to me. The school system is failing miserably in improving social mobility in America. "nothing we can do about it"-answer is absurd IMO. Especially for working class folks who should know better than to fight for the interests of the people at the top. They dont need your support. They are doing fine.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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You are the one who are arguing that the working class and middle class who fight for their own interests are lazy though, while you take pride in supporting policies and measures that favor the rich. So I think it is fair to call it what it is, the rich lazy kid in high school will have great advantages, while many hard working pupils from working class and lower income backgrounds are seeing the dream of college slip away. And members of the working class cheer this on and take pride in shooting themselves in the foot! This is mind boggling to me. The school system is failing miserably in improving social mobility in America. "nothing we can do about it"-answer is absurd IMO. Especially for working class folks who should know better than to fight for the interests of the people at the top. They dont need your support. They are doing fine.
Are you incapable of reading? I never said the working class and middle class are lazy, I was speaking directly to you. You are just making excuses for yourself and your position on this topic.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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Are you incapable of reading? I never said the working class and middle class are lazy, I was speaking directly to you. You are just making excuses for yourself and your position on this topic.
Oh please, you are using the same ol' tired talking points about "free stuff" and portray people who support tuition free public colleges as lazy (tuition free public colleges is a system which we basically had in the 60s when the government was determined to invest in its people to fight the Soviet Union). The question you have to ask yourself is why you support policies that directly harm people like yourself and your family and greatly benefits the donor class. It is always fascinating to see this play out, working class stiffs carrying the water for the big money donor class. The current educational system is shameful with appallingly low social mobility. Instead of leveling the playing field people are fighting to shrink opportunities for the working class and middle class further. Bad morals, bad economics. But this is what propaganda does to people.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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It looks like Jake Tapper had several email communications with the DNC which will be discussed on tomorrows State of the Union on CNN. Should be interesting. He responded to some criticism on his Tumblr blog.
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Old 07-23-2016, 04:46 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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This means nothing at all, because it is clear, if you vote for that Hildabeast, and she is a beast, that D Voters live with the premise, of no scruples at all.


You do not care about the lies, and her feeling so superior to all others, you know what D voters, grow some b---s and sent her a clear message, she can't count on you, because you can't count on her. And your tired of her promises that promote NATA nothing at all.


I understand you have not grown up fully yet, you can't make it on your own, so you vote for that Woman if you can call her one.


Go see Hillary's America, I have some D friends that came away from this movie, saying, she cannot be trusted. You just fail to hold this women accountable for her screw ups which are many.
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