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Old 08-27-2015, 01:25 AM
 
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Great political theater.

Trump wants to build "a great big wall" to stop illegal immigrants from coming over our border with Mexico.

But he says he will put a "great big door" in that wall for LEGAL immigrants to come through.

Trump says he will deport all the illegals and then "let the good ones back in" once they become legal.

Enter the Jorge Ramos. Trump uses him as a "demonstration."

Ramos speaks out of turn at Trump's press conference ("violates the border")

Trump tells him to "Go back to Univision" ("Go back to Mexico.")

Ramos refuses and is "deported" by Trump's security staff (Ramos is escorted out of the news conference.)

Then Trump "legalizes" Ramos and lets him back in "through the big door."

Hilarious.

Trump sure knows how to work the media.

The other Republican candidates must be tearing their hair out.
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Old 08-27-2015, 01:55 AM
 
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Donald Trump is a Xenophobic / Nativist who attracts the crazies and currently has 3 endorsements from KKK based organizations including David Duke. Let's start with Trump's "birtherism" issue regarding President Obama which was "racist" in it's attempt & he spent his money but couldn't prove President Obama was born in Kenya!
He is now hitting Mexicans labeling them "rapists, killers & drug dealers".

Do you know what this sounds like to to the Majority of Hispanics / Latinos who are for the most part LEGAL American citizens whether Naturalized or born in America like me? I am not of Mexican heritage but Trump is insulting our fellow Hispanics in a very disparaging way! He has no respect for the Hispanic population of the US or the issues that affect us. This idiot thinks just because a bunch of Hispanics work for him "they love them'!

Jorge Ramos brought up valid Questions which Trump would not answer because he talks in Non-Sensical irregularities. How is he going to deport 11 Million "illegals" when he doesn't even know where they are? Let's not even begin with the fact that most "illegals" from Mexico are working for Under Minimum wage jobs and it's US Employers who are hiring them!

Trump reminds me of Nazi Germany trying to get rid of certain sections of society that he profits from. He is "killing" the Hispanic / Latino vote for the Republican Party because not one of the other 16 Candidates has rebuked any of his stances!
Hispanic America says Good bye to the GOP! The blacks won't vote for you ! (45 Million) and the Hispanic / Latinos won't vote for you either ( 50 Million)! That is 1 out of 3 Americans Trump has alienated since June of 2015!

I do not expect people on the C-D forum to agree with my assertions since most on here are Conservatives and are "twinged" to Trump's bombastic stances and insults. Good luck with Trump being elected in the Fall of 2016.


Keep drinking the kool aid from UNIVISION and Jorge Ramos:


1) Jorge Ramos is an ACTIVIST for illegal immigration disguised as a reporter. He wasn't asking questions like a reporter. He was interrupting the news conference by jumping the line over other reporters and making statements against Trump like an ACTIVIST and trying to debate him which is the wrong format and very rude.



2) You asked, How are we going to pay to enforce our laws? are you kidding me? we might not get all 11 million illegals (close to 20 million) but we could start finally enforcing our laws and securing the border. That should send a STRONG message to foreigners who want to enter our country illegally that we are a nation of law and order and illegal actions and lawbreakers have consequences in this country.


3) I'm LATINO like you, explain to me in English or Spanish how Trump insulted all Latinos for wanting to secure the border and making millions of foreigners who entered our country illegally and are exploiting the system to obey our laws or leave?.......are your expectations for Latinos that entered our country illegally are really that low that you won't demand from them the same thing that is demanded of EVERY AMERICAN, to obey our laws?


4) Your comparison to Hitler and the Nazi shows why most Latinos are low information voters and at the bottom of the economic barrel because you can't talk common sense or logic with them in something that will help the LEGAL LATINOS in the states from jobs, wages and security.


Jorge Ramos is dishonest . He is an activist for illegal immigration and could care less about our laws and the best interest of the American Taxpayer and our country.



I don't care how much it cost to have law and order in our country but without that you can pretty much kiss goodbye this great nation and then what? where are we Latinos and other people are going to go? to the same lawless and corrupt countries we all escaped from?


You are being misinformed by the ultra left liberal Jorge Ramos, the most trusted reporter for the Latinos in the U.S.A. which it explains why Latinos are low information voters.

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Old 08-27-2015, 02:03 AM
 
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Romney proposed secure the border and self deportation for illegals. Don't give them jobs and don't give them social services and they will have 2 choices, do the paperwork and the background check like every legal immigrant does by the law or return to their native country on their own.

Most Latinos who are liberals found that insulting and voted for Obama. (which they are doing worse economically under Obama)


Trump is proposing a more proactive approach of securing the border and deporting all illegals and still most Latinos are offended.


Then what do Jorge Ramos and most liberal Latinos want, AMNESTY? for U.S. laws not to be apply to them? open borders? No background checks?....its a NO WIN situation for the U.S.. If we don't give them amnesty and open borders they won't accept anything and call you a racist.


Now be honest, who are really the extremists here? and I'm Latino in the minority but this shiat is crazy!
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:14 AM
 
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When a group of foreigners in the U.S. don't want the U.S. laws apply to them and call you a racist and Hitler for challenging them and the media plays along then we have a huge problem.
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Old 08-27-2015, 03:14 AM
 
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Well said, Hellion1999.
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Old 08-27-2015, 06:29 AM
 
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An illegal alien who had previously been convicted of 7 felonies robbed a family member of mine's home and led police on a high speed pursuit in the stolen car. The dude was charged with another 6 felonies and given a deportation slip again. He is BACK on the streets. This guy was charged with hard drug crimes and violent offenses. It is only a matter of time before he kills someone.

We have enough problems to deal with here without having to be the whipping boy for violent offenders from other countries. We lock our doors and build fences around our yards, so why not our darn country.

America is for Americans and that is what makes it special. If we let everyone in, our poor will suffer and the middle class will disappear. It will be like Mexico. Ultra rich and very poor serfdom class. Sorry - no thanks, time for change.
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Old 08-27-2015, 06:33 AM
 
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Donald Trump is a Xenophobic / Nativist who attracts the crazies and currently has 3 endorsements from KKK based organizations including David Duke. Let's start with Trump's "birtherism" issue regarding President Obama which was "racist" in it's attempt & he spent his money but couldn't prove President Obama was born in Kenya!
He is now hitting Mexicans labeling them "rapists, killers & drug dealers".

Do you know what this sounds like to to the Majority of Hispanics / Latinos who are for the most part LEGAL American citizens whether Naturalized or born in America like me? I am not of Mexican heritage but Trump is insulting our fellow Hispanics in a very disparaging way! He has no respect for the Hispanic population of the US or the issues that affect us. This idiot thinks just because a bunch of Hispanics work for him "they love them'!

Jorge Ramos brought up valid Questions which Trump would not answer because he talks in Non-Sensical irregularities. How is he going to deport 11 Million "illegals" when he doesn't even know where they are? Let's not even begin with the fact that most "illegals" from Mexico are working for Under Minimum wage jobs and it's US Employers who are hiring them!

Trump reminds me of Nazi Germany trying to get rid of certain sections of society that he profits from. He is "killing" the Hispanic / Latino vote for the Republican Party because not one of the other 16 Candidates has rebuked any of his stances!
Hispanic America says Good bye to the GOP! The blacks won't vote for you ! (45 Million) and the Hispanic / Latinos won't vote for you either ( 50 Million)! That is 1 out of 3 Americans Trump has alienated since June of 2015!

I do not expect people on the C-D forum to agree with my assertions since most on here are Conservatives and are "twinged" to Trump's bombastic stances and insults. Good luck with Trump being elected in the Fall of 2016.
He's xenophobic and a nativist? Does he object to "legal" immigration? No, he doesn't and you know it so why would you make such a false statement? Did he endorse the KKK? No, he didn't. Nothing racist about him questioning Obama's birth place either. I note how you conveniently omitted the word "illegal" before the word Mexican when he described some of them who are rapists, etc. Why is that? How is objecting to illegal aliens who are rapists, etc. and illegals in general offensive to the Hispanic community?

No, Ramos tried to take over by not giving the other reporters a chance to speak. He didn't ask questions as much as he just wanted to vilify Trump for his stance on illegal immigration. No need to round up all the illegals just remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and they will self-deport. Yes, we know that U.S. employers are hiring them, they are breaking the law and we want to put a stop to them. You act like somehow that justifies illegal aliens working here when it doesn't. They know right from wrong also.

Oh here we go with the Nazi card again. So typical of the defenders of illegal aliens. Why wouldn't any country want to rid themselves of "illegal alien lawbreakers"? You are comparing that to the plight of the Jews? Please! Why would he be killing the Hispanic vote? Aren't they obligated just like everyone else is to respect our immigration laws? You won't answer any of my questions though, will you Bob? How is stating the facts about any lawbreakers insulting? Trump may not even gain the nomination but at least he has brought illegal immigration out on the front burner while the other candidates are too afraid to do so because they'd rather pander to a special interest group who thinks their ethnic group should be above our immigration laws and rewarded for breaking them rather than standing up for the American people and the rule of law.
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Old 08-27-2015, 06:46 AM
 
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Donald Trump is a Xenophobic / Nativist who attracts the crazies and currently has 3 endorsements from KKK based organizations including David Duke. Let's start with Trump's "birtherism" issue regarding President Obama which was "racist" in it's attempt & he spent his money but couldn't prove President Obama was born in Kenya!
He is now hitting Mexicans labeling them "rapists, killers & drug dealers".

Do you know what this sounds like to to the Majority of Hispanics / Latinos who are for the most part LEGAL American citizens whether Naturalized or born in America like me? I am not of Mexican heritage but Trump is insulting our fellow Hispanics in a very disparaging way! He has no respect for the Hispanic population of the US or the issues that affect us. This idiot thinks just because a bunch of Hispanics work for him "they love them'!

Jorge Ramos brought up valid Questions which Trump would not answer because he talks in Non-Sensical irregularities. How is he going to deport 11 Million "illegals" when he doesn't even know where they are? Let's not even begin with the fact that most "illegals" from Mexico are working for Under Minimum wage jobs and it's US Employers who are hiring them!

Trump reminds me of Nazi Germany trying to get rid of certain sections of society that he profits from. He is "killing" the Hispanic / Latino vote for the Republican Party because not one of the other 16 Candidates has rebuked any of his stances!
Hispanic America says Good bye to the GOP! The blacks won't vote for you ! (45 Million) and the Hispanic / Latinos won't vote for you either ( 50 Million)! That is 1 out of 3 Americans Trump has alienated since June of 2015!

I do not expect people on the C-D forum to agree with my assertions since most on here are Conservatives and are "twinged" to Trump's bombastic stances and insults. Good luck with Trump being elected in the Fall of 2016.


Well, that's certainly what Jorge Ramos has been saying.

Jorge Ramos is an immature, obnoxious man, and a La Raza activist. He's no journalist, and you sure won't catch him asking questions about how illegal aliens are negatively impacting America and Americans. He's busy bragging about how proud he is to hold TWO passports, and vote in both Mexico and the U.S.

Jorge Ramos is an example of everything that is wrong with even legal immigration, because his allegiance is not to this country, and he's advocating for Mexicans to continue to invade the U.S., and to just get over the border to flop out babies.

And we Americans need that like Michael Moore needs another fork.
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Old 08-27-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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Donald Trump is a Xenophobic / Nativist who attracts the crazies and currently has 3 endorsements from KKK based organizations including David Duke. Let's start with Trump's "birtherism" issue regarding President Obama which was "racist" in it's attempt & he spent his money but couldn't prove President Obama was born in Kenya!
He is now hitting Mexicans labeling them "rapists, killers & drug dealers".

Do you know what this sounds like to to the Majority of Hispanics / Latinos who are for the most part LEGAL American citizens whether Naturalized or born in America like me? I am not of Mexican heritage but Trump is insulting our fellow Hispanics in a very disparaging way! He has no respect for the Hispanic population of the US or the issues that affect us. This idiot thinks just because a bunch of Hispanics work for him "they love them'!

Jorge Ramos brought up valid Questions which Trump would not answer because he talks in Non-Sensical irregularities. How is he going to deport 11 Million "illegals" when he doesn't even know where they are? Let's not even begin with the fact that most "illegals" from Mexico are working for Under Minimum wage jobs and it's US Employers who are hiring them!

Trump reminds me of Nazi Germany trying to get rid of certain sections of society that he profits from. He is "killing" the Hispanic / Latino vote for the Republican Party because not one of the other 16 Candidates has rebuked any of his stances!
Hispanic America says Good bye to the GOP! The blacks won't vote for you ! (45 Million) and the Hispanic / Latinos won't vote for you either ( 50 Million)! That is 1 out of 3 Americans Trump has alienated since June of 2015!

I do not expect people on the C-D forum to agree with my assertions since most on here are Conservatives and are "twinged" to Trump's bombastic stances and insults. Good luck with Trump being elected in the Fall of 2016.
Ready for feedback? Most of us have watched while our country a place we care about has given away countless privileges which we worked for to people who crossed a border illegally. Once here they were given health care, ability to work and drive (all illegally) or in charitable terms for the more sensitive (undocumented). As our resources in emergency rooms have dwindled and our hospitals have failed our costs through our taxes and roads and schools and state taxes have escalated as has our costs of health care and our access has been reduced due to millions of people who WANT things. We have watched as drugs and crimes associated with drugs have escalated in our communities. We have stood back when we are told not to say things which are offensive to hispanics, blacks, dwarfs and intellectuals. Now someone comes forward (Trump) and says hold on and ENOUGH. Ramos is a bully who wants what he wants. He was not called on as is the norm in a press conference and intentionally tried to provoke the candidate into saying things which would have really been embarrassing. Trump re invited him back into the press conference btw.

You see, we don't believe in giving things away on the street corner or in life. It's done. My son in law did the immigration thing the correct way. Took 4 years and now he is a citizen and we think the world of this man. But here's the deal. If you have ever worked really hard and been asked to give your money away it kinda makes you feel wronged....just a little. We are tired or lazy people complaining about being treated portly, tired of watching drunk drivers here illegally causing loss of life and without any insurance. And we are sick and tired of being told it's our fault. If you want to stay in this country do so the proper way...its' worth it but if you want TO USE OUR FREEDOMS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR SYSTEM then get ready for change. We will wave good bye as the train heads south, east and west.
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Old 08-27-2015, 07:13 AM
 
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I can't stand that Ramos guy. He's a whiny annoying *****.
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