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Old 07-16-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree. Romney is done.
LOL....

Obama and Romney are basically within the margin of error according to the polls when averaged with Obama significantly below 50% nationally and in the key swing states. Undecideds ARE more likely to break for the challenger than the incumbent. And Obama's approval remains - significantly - lower than that of any incumbent president who was re-elected at the time of the election.

And this is when most of the polls are of registered voters (not the Purple Poll specifically, but in general), not likely voters, and most of the approval rating polls are of adults, much less likely voters or even registered voters.

And this is when Obama and the pro-Obama Super PAC's combined have been outspending Romney and the pro-Romney Super PAC's combined and the Romney campaign is now outraising the Obama campaign.

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Old 07-16-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, because of Rasmussen and Purple Strategies.

I wouldn't start dancing on a table if a HuffPost or Daily Kos poll trended him up, that's for sure.
And you probably trust Nate Silver and probably trust PPP polls (though maybe not since they do some polling for the Daily Kos, but most of their polling is not for the Daily Kos)...yet Nate Silver said that PPP is more biased than Rasmussen this election cycle. So, who do you trust more, Nate Silver or PPP?

http://www.coloradopeakpolitics.com/...emocrats-badly

Rasmussen was actually tied for most accurate pollster in 2008.

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2008...most-accurate/

They did have a strong bias in 2010.
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Old 07-16-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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Latest polls from Purple Strategies show Romney +3 in Florida. After all of his pandering to Hispanics Onama is only up 1 in Colorado and Virginia he's up two. I guess one maybe bright spot for Obama is he's up 3 in Ohio, a must win for Romney.

http://www.purplestrategies.com/wp-c...urple-Poll.pdf




RealClearPolitics - Latest Polls

One would think this would be the case.

Most Americans are not as dumb as Obama thinks they are. They are concerned about the economy, their jobs, thier incomes and the future of their children.

If Obama plans to run his campaign by simply using easily disproven, fanciful attacks on his opponant, he will lose for sure. Most people want ANSWERS, not attacks or excuses.

If Obama was smart (which he is not), he would say, "mea culpa. My first four years failed to achieve the expected results in the economy. Therefore rather than "double down" on failed policies, we are going to attempt a new tactic of reducing corporate taxes, scrapping Obamacare, allowing domestic energy exploration, promoting a national right to work law, and reducing federal regulations that impede business."


In short- Obama must completely change his entire view of the world in order to offer a new path to the US. Don't hold your breath.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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In other words, the $100 million spent by obama and friends over the last month has not moved the needle in the polls. Considering the last two polls, Pew and Abc/WaPo, use dem +9 party ID chasm.... I really like where Romney is sitting right now.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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I agree. Romney is done.
If you got paid each time you were wrong on city data, you'd be richer than Romney
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default Romney is failing; wounded by Bain

Romney has inadequately addressed Bain. It remains a thorn in his neck and he appears like a conniving, blundering fool because of it. There is no "backfire."

As the election draws near, and Romney's enormous flaws are revealed, the President's numbers will show that in WI, MI, OH, NC, VA, CO, NM, and OR, he is preferred. These are not "swing" states. They're painted blue. Romney loses the entire northeast, all of the midwest. He might even lose Indiana and Florida. He loses the far West as well.

Enjoy President Obama's second term.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:39 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Latest polls from Purple Strategies show Romney +3 in Florida. After all of his pandering to Hispanics Onama is only up 1 in Colorado and Virginia he's up two. I guess one maybe bright spot for Obama is he's up 3 in Ohio, a must win for Romney.

http://www.purplestrategies.com/wp-c...urple-Poll.pdf

RealClearPolitics - Latest Polls
Maybe a more accurate title for your thread would be, "Obama has gone up in 3 out of 4 states"...!!
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: #
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And you probably trust Nate Silver and probably trust PPP polls (though maybe not since they do some polling for the Daily Kos, but most of their polling is not for the Daily Kos)...yet Nate Silver said that PPP is more biased than Rasmussen this election cycle. So, who do you trust more, Nate Silver or PPP?

Colorado Peak Politics:: SHOCK: New York Times Finds Democrat Pollster PPP Oversamples Democrats Badly

Rasmussen was actually tied for most accurate pollster in 2008.

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

They did have a strong bias in 2010.
I don't trust PPP at all.

If you want true, go with the "Q".
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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I agree. Romney is done.
3 small words:

Watch the economy.

It ain't looking good which could take Obama down in November.
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Old 07-16-2012, 10:58 PM
 
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One would think this would be the case.

Most Americans are not as dumb as Obama thinks they are. They are concerned about the economy, their jobs, thier incomes and the future of their children.

If Obama plans to run his campaign by simply using easily disproven, fanciful attacks on his opponant, he will lose for sure. Most people want ANSWERS, not attacks or excuses.

If Obama was smart (which he is not), he would say, "mea culpa. My first four years failed to achieve the expected results in the economy. Therefore rather than "double down" on failed policies, we are going to attempt a new tactic of reducing corporate taxes, scrapping Obamacare, allowing domestic energy exploration, promoting a national right to work law, and reducing federal regulations that impede business."


In short- Obama must completely change his entire view of the world in order to offer a new path to the US. Don't hold your breath.
In effect, you want to kick the can further down the road by returning us to the policies that got us into this mess in the first place. We never will recover as long as we keep repeating the same mistakes.

Until we cut spending and raise taxes, we will never shed ourselves of the hovering debt cloud that is hindering growth. We can't control what is happening in Europe, but having the guts to admit we need to take some difficult steps to tackle our debt at home will do more to heal the US economy than any tax cut Republicans can propose. Also, it would be refreshing if Republicans would come clean and admit there are numerous external global factors that are preventing growth. They won't, because the less the base understands the more they can continue the charade that lower taxes will somehow offset our ballooning defense budget (which is spending cut taboo....but everything else including education is on the table!)

Republicans loved the individual mandate when they first proposed it in Congress in 1993. They hate it now at Obama's name is tied to it. It's too bad, because there are many beneficial provisions contained within ACA that prove popular with most Americans (on both sides of the political spectrum) once you get past the talking points. Obama's biggest problem is that he has done a poor job educating Americans on ACA.

I have never understood how Republicans can be for energy independence and yet be so against sustainable, alternative energy generation and reduction. They whine about CAFE when appropriate, yet the market seems quite pleased with double digit increases in fuel economy over the last ten years. They whine about the green economy, yet LEED certified buildings that use 40% less energy are quite popular with owners, developers, and public institutions (and by extension, taxpayers) once they realize the short term cost premium results in long term energy savings. Why do Republicans only focus on domestic oil exploration when Japan, Europe, and China are about 15 years ahead of us in developing a sustainable society able to better weather shocks in the oil market?

Let's cut regulation and go back to the wheeling and dealing economy of the 2000's. Oversight of the financial sector, stock market, and lending institutions sounds like a horrible idea. We like boom-bust cycles every 5-8 years rather than sustainable, measured growth.

Considering Republicans keep repeating the same tired schtick to solve problems that my generation is going to be paying for, while remaining intellectually dishonest on real problems facing this country, I hope you don't mind that I prefer a "dummy" like Obama for four more years.

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