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Even though I think he is a wacko I know what Rick Santorum is trying to say. He is making it look like Obama (and maybe he is) is saying that anyone who doesn't go to college is not worth anything compared to those who go to college. No college and you are scum.
I am not sure if Obama meant that or just that he wanted to give people who wanted to go to college a better shot. It's impossible to tell nowadays what people mean because they are constantly correcting themselves or changing their minds.
I'm sure Obama didn't mean that, because he wasn't speaking about "college". He specifically stated trade schools, vocational schools, community college. He said he wanted every American to commit to 1 year of higher education. The problem is, even the "low end" jobs are requiring more education than high school. Obama was asking Americans to take the initiative to remain competitive in the job market. That doesn't mean go get a 4 year degree.
We are losing to China because they pay people slave wages.
I don't know what Santorum thinks about it but many parents complain their kid went to college to play. Let them pick up the tab for that and not tax payers when our country is about to go bankrupt.
That's not the part of losing to China Einstein is referring to, I don't think. Something like making many garments is very much lost to low cost labor countries, whether it be China, India, or Honduras. But many electronics are assembled by robotics, and those need to be run by technicians with some knowledge (sometimes computer programmers, electrical engineers, etc.). That's where we losing the education battle - in much of the math and science areas.
I don't know who exactly is calling for taxpayer funded college. Aside from State's funding state institutions, I don't really see that ever happening. Are you referring to subsidized student loans?
As Stephen Colbert said tonight " President Obama was priveledged enough to get into Harvard by being a bi-racial child raised by a single mother on food stamps"!
Is the GOP going soft on President Obama? A "snob"?
What happened to not being a "true American"/ Socialist/Marxist/ Muslim/ Anti-Christ/ Hell bent on destroying America & taking your Guns away?
"liberal elite" is the newest news cycle talking point. keep up! lol
When President Obama responded to Santorum's criticism, Santorum's campaign press secretary told MSNBC that Obama had made a "change in tone" and "clarified" his stance in response to the Republicans' attacks. Here's a clip from the President's 2009 Address to Congress.
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"It is our responsibility as lawmakers and educators to make this system work. *But it is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in it. *And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. *This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. *But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. *And dropping out of high school is no longer an option." Remarks of President Barack Obama -- Address to Joint Session of Congress | The White House
Seems pretty obvious that Mr. Santorum is correct on one count: clearly higher education was wasted in his case as it did nothing to improve his ability to understand the English language, written or otherwise.
When President Obama responded to Santorum's criticism, Santorum's campaign press secretary told MSNBC that Obama had made a "change in tone" and "clarified" his stance in response to the Republicans' attacks. Here's a clip from the President's 2009 Address to Congress.
Clip:
"It is our responsibility as lawmakers and educators to make this system work. *But it is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in it. *And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. *This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. *But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. *And dropping out of high school is no longer an option." Remarks of President Barack Obama -- Address to Joint Session of Congress | The White House
darn you. why post facts into a perfectly fun conversation?
When President Obama responded to Santorum's criticism, Santorum's campaign press secretary told MSNBC that Obama had made a "change in tone" and "clarified" his stance in response to the Republicans' attacks. Here's a clip from the President's 2009 Address to Congress.
Clip:
"It is our responsibility as lawmakers and educators to make this system work. *But it is the responsibility of every citizen to participate in it. *And so tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training. *This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. *But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. *And dropping out of high school is no longer an option." Remarks of President Barack Obama -- Address to Joint Session of Congress | The White House
Yes, and even the GOP governers AGREED with President Obama on the need for education reform yesterday:
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Education reform was brought to the forefront of the Republican presidential primary again recently when Rick Santorum accused the president of educational snobbery for his calls for every child to go to college.
“I wish he'd said it differently,” said McDonnell – a Romney supporter – when asked about Santorum’s comments. “I want more college graduates, but that means community college and four-year universities but not to the exclusion of realizing that some people are going to graduate from high school and be in the trades. I think what we say is we want someone to be career ready or college ready.”
Governor Jan Brewer, who became an instant favorite for diehard conservatives for pointing the finger in the President's face, had this to say:
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“I think that we all realize that everybody's not going to be headed to college, that we have to have out community colleges and good job training,” Brewer said. “We need people that fit in with those kinds of skills that they have. So all of that's really, really important.”
It is really baffling to me on how Santorum have made it this far.
"Conservatism".
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I'd be able to take Santorum a lot more seriously if he didn't have the following letters attached to his last name: BA, MBA and JD.
So what, education is good enough for him but not most Americans?
To quote Thomas Paine (again)...
"A nation under a well regulated government, should permit none to remain uninstructed. It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support. "
A significant section of America's populace is vulnerable (but then, this applies pretty much everywhere).
im not anti education. zarkozi said it best in the state of france message not long ago.
we have too many general education advance degree people, we need skilled trades people like germany.
im not anti education. zarkozi said it best in the state of france message not long ago.
we have too many general education advance degree people, we need skilled trades people like germany.
That's, technically, Obama's take as well. But I'm sure, like me, President Obama feels that families ought to emphasize on education. Whether the child acquires an MBA to rise to be CEO of a corporation or becomes a master electrician, is another story. You can't control that. It is forward thinking, with setting higher goals, than being careless and going with the flow.
Who here would dismiss the value of getting their kid(s) at least a high school diploma right off the bat?
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