Nasal cancer (cage, mean, months, owner)

[eginalsk]

Thanks for all of your helpful messages and good wishes. Yes, Scout did have definitive radiation, just about 8-9 months, so perhaps it is the long-term effects you were talking about Dashdog. I certainly hope so. He is not on any supplements or meds, except omega-3 and a really good diet. My oncologist is anti-meds unless he's showing signs of needing them and feels that nothing (besides the omega-3) has really been shown to help. Who knows who to believe...I am still waiting to hear her viewpoints about the neoplasene, however. The bleeding, or, more accurately, drops of blood-tinged fluid, have ceased today. Perhaps it was a fluke. He's otherwise himself. Although I am noticing some changes in his right eye, which I expected.

I have asked my vet about prednisone, and, like I said above, it seems like she'd prefer not to use it unless we see a need for it. Woof, how much do you give and what's the size of your dog? My parent's give it to their border collie for Addisons's disease, and I know they've worked hard to get the dosage down to limit side effects.

Thanks again for you kind words.

[Woof Woof Woof!]

Here's a write up on nasal cancer, and this is what it says about radiation:

The reported median survival times for dogs treated with orthovoltage radiation is 23 months and 16.5 months. The 1- and 2-year survival rates were 54% and 43% in the report by Evans et. al., and were equivalent to the previously reported survival rates. The mean and median survival with cobalt irradiation for 27 dogs was 20.7 and 12.8 months, with a 1-year survival rate of 59% and 2-year survival rate of 22%. Comparable results were obtained in a study of 77 dogs treated with cobalt 60 teletherapy with a mean survival of 21.7 months and median survival of 12.6 months, 1-year survival rate of 60.3%, and 2-year survival rate of 25.1%. Radiation therapy has been shown to be efficacious in the treatment of transmissible venereal tumors. In one study 7/8 dogs obtained a cure with a single 10 Gy dose.

ACVC 2001 - Nasal Neoplasia in the Dog and Cat

[Woof Woof Woof!]

Originally Posted by eginalsk

I have asked my vet about prednisone, and, like I said above, it seems like she'd prefer not to use it unless we see a need for it.

What constitutes a need for it?

I'll have to check the dose for my friend's dog. It's half a pill.

[Dashdog]

Dash and I would like to be the first on this thread to wish the rest of you a Merry Christmas.



How is everyone doing? After all most two weeks off the neoplasene Dash was breathing very well through both sides of his nose and only having very small drainage of blood tinged secreations off and on. However he did start the reverse sneezing again so I decided it was time for a dose of neoplasene. Well over night that has caused him to sound very congseted and stuffed up so in a way I feel bad as he was breathing so good and now he is stuffed up. On the flip side of that it tells me he still needs the neoplasene as I was told it will do nothing to healthy cells but will cause inflammation in abnormal cells and that will cause those cells to swell. So My take on what I am seeing is he does not have alot of secretions blocking him up but that there is still some abnormal cells either cancer or necrotic cells in there that need to come out.It is the swelling of that abnormal tissue not secretions causing him to sound stuffed up. I am sure the snot will come as the abnormal cells die and produce toxins as is the body's way of removing the toxins. While it is hard to see him stuffed up I do believe that in the long run it is a good thing as the neoplasene continues to do its job. Time will tell but often in healing one must get through the bad rough times to get to the good times.

[tallmomma]

thanks for the clear explanation of how neoplasene works.

we haven't given tillie any more drops as she is doing well. i was surprised to hear of the return of dash's reverse sneezing. we will watch for this in our house. let us know if the neoplasene continues to ease his symptoms. this all brings us hope.

[eginalsk]

We're doing well in icy New Hampshire. All but clear nose dribbling and little to no reverse sneezing coming out of Scout these days. That's what I like! Now if we can just get the dry eye cleared up, we'll all be thrilled.

We're still going drug-free and hoping for a long remission. Happy holidays and a cancer-free new year to all!

[Cyrusboy]

Cryus had a major bleed out of both sides of the nose last night and is now totally congested.

Does anyone use a nasal decongestant on their dog? If so, which one and what is the dosage?

Thanks!

[Woof Woof Woof!]

Originally Posted by Cyrusboy

Cryus had a major bleed out of both sides of the nose last night and is now totally congested.

Does anyone use a nasal decongestant on their dog? If so, which one and what is the dosage?

Thanks!

Poor Cyrus. How scary.

You can try Neo-Synephrine nasal decongestant. It causes the blood vessels to constrict and this helps to stop the bleeding. Don't know what the dosage is, but you can read the label.

I would keep it on hand in case the dog start bleeding again.

[Clancydog]

I picked up Clancey this morning from the vet's office where he was being boarded over the weekend. They did not report any nose bleeds but they did report that he didn't eat much. We gave him a good sized bowl of his favorite ground chicken when we got home, now he is resting comfortably on his bed and seems very happy to be home. He is going to start the neoplasene infusions this week with the first one to be done at the holistic vet. My regular vet did take a look at the documents about neoplasene that I brought her last week and apparently did a little of her own research as she has agreed to continue the treatment once the holistic vet does the first treatment and writes up her protocol for her so that is good news. I wish my regular vet would be a little more proactive about this, it is kind of frustrating for me to have to be the go between (sigh). At least it will save Clancey and I both a lot of driving time as the holistic vet is at least an hour way when it isn't rush hour and who knows how long when I am trying to get there at 8:00 in the morning.

Happy holidays to everyone from Carol, Clancey and the other furkids Princess, Rusty, Cody, Shawn, Howie, Iris, Rhiannon and Cheyenne

[tallmomma]

there are drops for this that can keep the situation under control. when tillie went through radiation we took her to a veterinary eye care specialist. she has been on NEO-POLYDEX (aka maxitrol) which works quite well. there are other Rx's as well. ask your vet.