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Old 08-12-2021, 08:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sanz7887
I wish all the best to the naysayers... and the anti vaxers.... this is not your regular disease but a bioweapon designed to kill
It wasn't designed to kill but its virulence owes a lot to the fact that it was developed in a lab. Our immune systems didn't get to learn from the intermediate viruses that evolved and bridged the gap between the virus brought in from the wild and the SARS-CoV-2 virus that was later released or escaped back into the wild.

 
Old 08-12-2021, 09:18 PM
 
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You have yet to post any sources for your numbers so I'll hold them with a grain of salt.

Assuming 6 people died yesterday in Dallas County during what is being reported as the most dangerous and deadly disease in my lifetime, that number is incredibly underwhelming. 30-60% of the European population died in 7 years during the Black Death. <=6 people died yesterday in Dallas from COVID.

What's the total for this year?
How many under 40 have died?
How many over 65 have died?
How many who died had underlying health concerns?
Etc.

Separately, answer me this:

How would one measure and gauge the increases in:

- obesity,
- depression,
- anxiety,
- alcoholism,
- drug use,
- hopelessness,
- gun violence,
- absenteeism from school,
- hesitance to engage anyone one doesn't know,
- children growing up without visual clues due to masks,
- job loss,
- business bankruptcies,
- inflation,
- skyrocketing real estate costs,
- laziness and apathy,
- relationship decay due to isolation,
- pornography use,
- coping and medicating with alternate realities like gaming, movies, tv.

Etc.

Then, having done all this, can you point me to any objective or absolute truth which tells me that, in light of above considerations, I - a healthy 36 year old male who has had COVID and barely had a fever -, should inject myself with an experimental vaccine which doesn't prevent me from becoming infected nor prevent me from transmitting the disease?

This is, without a doubt, the most over-blown issue of my lifetime.
Watch the MedCram interview with Dr. Eric Topol, virologist and public health specialist

https://youtu.be/haG1yKJVVAw
He does a reasonable job
 
Old 08-12-2021, 09:20 PM
 
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Yea, lets blame people for not taking an experimental vaccine with about 8 months of total trials, when it has taken 8 to 10 years to develop any other vaccine. Yes, these mRNA vaccines (Moderna & Pfizer) have been tried for decades in animals, but never got past those trials. In the animal trials it didn't end well. Now we are seeing it isn't going well for vaccinated people either. Many have natural immunity, which is actually working.

I'm sorry, the vast majority who are not vaccinated most likely already have natural immunity or have weighed their risks of it being severe or dying at an extremely low percentage. Most of these people are educated and have read the studies, and don't just blindly trust a bunch of big pharmaceutical companies who do their own tests (conflict of interest) and have been sued in the past for bad medical practices. I also don't trust a bunch of politicians who can be bought and sold, or health officials who are in worse health than a large percentage of the population.

Let me know about this vaccine in 5+ years, and also let me know when the vaccinate manufacturers are liable for anything that goes wrong.

All that crap about it being about non vaccinated, while the CDC decided when breakthrough cases started to stop tracking them (see link below). What a coincidence they didn't want the vaccine to look like it might not work.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...a-variant-grew

Then all we have to do is follow all these countries that are highly vaccinated and see things aren't going well. I'm betting the same is happening here. Take note of Israel in the link. It has already started in Iceland and other highly vaccinated countries because this is what we are in for and will continue if we push this vaccine and booster shots. No vaccine has worked for a corona virus and it is still true to this day.

https://americanfaith.com/vaxxed-mak...dr-kobi-haviv/
Watch someone who has knowledge not just an opinion
https://youtu.be/haG1yKJVVAw
 
Old 08-12-2021, 10:21 PM
 
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I have been thinking about Biafra4life’s wife’s medical condition and ran across this video on MedCram’s YouTube site after I watched Dr Topol
It addresses the proclivity of CoVid to create blood clots in victims and what role Vitamin D might play as preventative or mitigation for infection

https://youtu.be/ha2mLz-Xdpg

I hope his wife is better
Our son had blood clots when he was dealing with his cancer in 2019-20 and they are not to be taken lightly
My son also had very low Vitamin D and Zinc levels…probably not a random coincidence
 
Old 08-13-2021, 08:20 AM
 
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Dallas-Area Hospitals Report No Free ICU Beds Available for Children as COVID-19 Rises
https://www.newsweek.com/dallas-area...-rises-1618995

Why does it feel like we're always on the brink of a hospital collapse that never ends up coming? I'll admit, I fell for these headlines this time last year, but when the news kept crying wolf and hospitals still had beds for people, I just began to roll my eyes.

Looks like the news is at it again with the fear porn.
 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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Dallas-Area Hospitals Report No Free ICU Beds Available for Children as COVID-19 Rises
https://www.newsweek.com/dallas-area...-rises-1618995

Why does it feel like we're always on the brink of a hospital collapse that never ends up coming? I'll admit, I fell for these headlines this time last year, but when the news kept crying wolf and hospitals still had beds for people, I just began to roll my eyes.

Looks like the news is at it again with the fear porn.



So, as you know they* are lying why not prove it and get rich? It'd be a phenomenal expose.


*They being doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, admin. types, and long line of government employees and reporters. For you to be right all these people across multiple cities would have to be in on the con. That's simply not reality.

____________

The press sensationalizes just about every single story using words like soaring, dreaded, free-fall, bubble, collapse, leaped etc. when words like increasing, decreasing etc. would be more accurate. Smart people are able to read between the lines as it were.
 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:37 AM
 
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So, as you know they* are lying why not prove it and get rich? It'd be a phenomenal expose.


*They being doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, admin. types, and long line of government employees and reporters. For you to be right all these people across multiple cities would have to be in on the con. That's simply not reality.

____________

The press sensationalizes just about every single story using words like soaring, dreaded, free-fall, bubble, collapse, leaped etc. when words like increasing, decreasing etc. would be more accurate. Smart people are able to read between the lines as it were.
If we are running out of beds, why aren’t we converting the convention center Downtown into extra hospital bed space? We know it’s possible, because we did it last year.
 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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If we are running out of beds, why aren’t we converting the convention center Downtown into extra hospital bed space? We know it’s possible, because we did it last year.
An ICU bed can't be easily set up in a convention center. As I understand the area is not particularly short on regular hospital beds.
 
Old 08-13-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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An ICU bed can't be easily set up in a convention center. As I understand the area is not particularly short on regular hospital beds.
What do you mean when you say the area is not short on hospital beds?
 
Old 08-13-2021, 10:05 AM
 
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What do you mean when you say the area is not short on hospital beds?
Those very sick with covid often require intensive care beds with specialized staffing and equipment (nurses, respiratory therapists, controlled room air supply etc.). Regular hospital beds have less of all that. As an aside ICU beds themselves must meet several very specific requirements that regular hospital beds don't.
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