Coronavirus in DFW - News & Discussion (Dallas, Post: therapists, downtown)

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ

What's the total for this year?
How many under 40 have died?
How many over 65 have died?
How many who died had underlying health concerns?
Etc.

Separately, answer me this:

How would one measure and gauge the increases in:

- obesity,
- depression,
- anxiety,
- alcoholism,
- drug use,
- hopelessness,
- gun violence,
- absenteeism from school,
- hesitance to engage anyone one doesn't know,
- children growing up without visual clues due to masks,
- job loss,
- business bankruptcies,
- inflation,
- skyrocketing real estate costs,
- laziness and apathy,
- relationship decay due to isolation,
- pornography use,
- coping and medicating with alternate realities like gaming, movies, tv.

Etc.

Then, having done all this, can you point me to any objective or absolute truth which tells me that, in light of above considerations, I - a healthy 36 year old male who has had COVID and barely had a fever -, should inject myself with an experimental vaccine which doesn't prevent me from becoming infected nor prevent me from transmitting the disease?

This is, without a doubt, the most over-blown issue of my lifetime.

This is an excellent point. There are effects to this that go beyond the virus. I know 4 people who tried to kill themselves of which one was successful. I descended into an alcoholic haze for a couple of months because I lost my job. The murder rate skyrocketed because of this too.

We dont have accurate data on what percentage of people in hospitals (Vaccinated and Unvaccinated) had co-morbidities which is a very important point needed to truly know the effects of this. We dont know about obesity, age, or many other factors because they arent published in complete studies.

I say this because, frankly, there is an element of trying to make us more afraid than we should be as well. This is why I tend to pi$$ everyone off. Im a huge proponent of the Covid vaccine but Im also done with the fear porn that the American public relentlessly consumes. That extends beyond Covid. If you watch Fox, they try to make you afraid of immigrants, liberal run cities, the homeless, and people coming for your guns. CNN and MSNBC tried to make is afraid of a whole slew of things too. Im over it.

[LeavingMA]

Originally Posted by loves2read

People do NOT know the risks of not being vaxed because the GOP (Rand Paul for example and Ted Cruz in our own state) and major media figures like Tucker Carlson and OAN/Fox are spreading more misinformation about CoVid than facts.
At least admit that the GOP has a huge stake in keeping up this false front

You might be one of the few conservatives who vaxxed. (And I am glad to hear you did!)
Millions more won’t consider it at all.

Yea, lets blame people for not taking an experimental vaccine with about 8 months of total trials, when it has taken 8 to 10 years to develop any other vaccine. Yes, these mRNA vaccines (Moderna & Pfizer) have been tried for decades in animals, but never got past those trials. In the animal trials it didn't end well. Now we are seeing it isn't going well for vaccinated people either. Many have natural immunity, which is actually working.

I'm sorry, the vast majority who are not vaccinated most likely already have natural immunity or have weighed their risks of it being severe or dying at an extremely low percentage. Most of these people are educated and have read the studies, and don't just blindly trust a bunch of big pharmaceutical companies who do their own tests (conflict of interest) and have been sued in the past for bad medical practices. I also don't trust a bunch of politicians who can be bought and sold, or health officials who are in worse health than a large percentage of the population.

Let me know about this vaccine in 5+ years, and also let me know when the vaccinate manufacturers are liable for anything that goes wrong.

All that crap about it being about non vaccinated, while the CDC decided when breakthrough cases started to stop tracking them (see link below). What a coincidence they didn't want the vaccine to look like it might not work.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...a-variant-grew

Then all we have to do is follow all these countries that are highly vaccinated and see things aren't going well. I'm betting the same is happening here. Take note of Israel in the link. It has already started in Iceland and other highly vaccinated countries because this is what we are in for and will continue if we push this vaccine and booster shots. No vaccine has worked for a corona virus and it is still true to this day.

https://americanfaith.com/vaxxed-mak...dr-kobi-haviv/

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ

You have yet to post any sources for your numbers so I'll hold them with a grain of salt.

Assuming 6 people died yesterday in Dallas County during what is being reported as the most dangerous and deadly disease in my lifetime, that number is incredibly underwhelming. 30-60% of the European population died in 7 years during the Black Death. <=6 people died yesterday in Dallas from COVID.

What's the total for this year?
How many under 40 have died?
How many over 65 have died?
How many who died had underlying health concerns?
Etc.

Separately, answer me this:

How would one measure and gauge the increases in:

- obesity,
- depression,
- anxiety,
- alcoholism,
- drug use,
- hopelessness,
- gun violence,
- absenteeism from school,
- hesitance to engage anyone one doesn't know,
- children growing up without visual clues due to masks,
- job loss,
- business bankruptcies,
- inflation,
- skyrocketing real estate costs,
- laziness and apathy,
- relationship decay due to isolation,
- pornography use,
- coping and medicating with alternate realities like gaming, movies, tv.

Etc.

Then, having done all this, can you point me to any objective or absolute truth which tells me that, in light of above considerations, I - a healthy 36 year old male who has had COVID and barely had a fever -, should inject myself with an experimental vaccine which doesn't prevent me from becoming infected nor prevent me from transmitting the disease?

This is, without a doubt, the most over-blown issue of my lifetime.

With your recent track record you shouldn't challenge anyone.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/publ...rge-continues/

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

This is an excellent point. There are effects to this that go beyond the virus. I know 4 people who tried to kill themselves of which one was successful. I descended into an alcoholic haze for a couple of months because I lost my job. The murder rate skyrocketed because of this too.

We dont have accurate data on what percentage of people in hospitals (Vaccinated and Unvaccinated) had co-morbidities which is a very important point needed to truly know the effects of this. We dont know about obesity, age, or many other factors because they arent published in complete studies.

I say this because, frankly, there is an element of trying to make us more afraid than we should be as well. This is why I tend to pi$$ everyone off. Im a huge proponent of the Covid vaccine but Im also done with the fear porn that the American public relentlessly consumes. That extends beyond Covid. If you watch Fox, they try to make you afraid of immigrants, liberal run cities, the homeless, and people coming for your guns. CNN and MSNBC tried to make is afraid of a whole slew of things too. Im over it.

It sounds like you are in the process of giving up being an informed citizen.

[EonBlueSyZ]

Originally Posted by EDS_

With your recent track record you shouldn't challenge anyone.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/publ...rge-continues/

Ignores my entire post and insults me, why am I not surprised?

[Pilsn3r]

Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ

Ignores my entire post and insults me, why am I not surprised?

The Covid facts in the article are the facts reported. More than 3 have died. It will rise in the next days/weeks.

[loves2read]

Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ

You have yet to post any sources for your numbers so I'll hold them with a grain of salt.

Assuming 6 people died yesterday in Dallas County during what is being reported as the most dangerous and deadly disease in my lifetime, that number is incredibly underwhelming. 30-60% of the European population died in 7 years during the Black Death. <=6 people died yesterday in Dallas from COVID.

What's the total for this year?
How many under 40 have died?
How many over 65 have died?
How many who died had underlying health concerns?
Etc.

Separately, answer me this:

How would one measure and gauge the increases in:

- obesity,
- depression,
- anxiety,
- alcoholism,
- drug use,
- hopelessness,
- gun violence,
- absenteeism from school,
- hesitance to engage anyone one doesn't know,
- children growing up without visual clues due to masks,
- job loss,
- business bankruptcies,
- inflation,
- skyrocketing real estate costs,
- laziness and apathy,
- relationship decay due to isolation,
- pornography use,
- coping and medicating with alternate realities like gaming, movies, tv.

Etc.

Then, having done all this, can you point me to any objective or absolute truth which tells me that, in light of above considerations, I - a healthy 36 year old male who has had COVID and barely had a fever -, should inject myself with an experimental vaccine which doesn't prevent me from becoming infected nor prevent me from transmitting the disease?

This is, without a doubt, the most over-blown issue of my lifetime.

Well I hope the second time around, if you get it, you have a similar outcome.
Some people don’t.
Over 600K dead and still counting

[Rakin]

Originally Posted by loves2read

Well I hope the second time around, if you get it, you have a similar outcome.
Some people don’t.
Over 600K dead and still counting

He's 36 and playing the odds. If he was 66 or 76 good chance like the other 98% of us in that age group he would get the vaccine.

If I was a 22yo healthy male, I would think real hard about getting the shot or not.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by EonBlueSyZ

Ignores my entire post and insults me, why am I not surprised?

1. I ignored the bulk of your post because it's equal parts rationalization and dodge.

2. You implied I was lying above, after misreading your own data that BTW was obviously compromised............after that you don't deserve any special deference.

3. You challenged me to present a source. I did.

[hbdwihdh378y9]

Originally Posted by loves2read

What does “defeat” mean to you?
Eliminate?
Certainly we can’t do that if 60% of the country thinks it is a delusion vs a disease
Smallpox and measles were basically eliminated in the US
Lax vaccinations have allowed Measles to come back and smallpox could do the same in time

Last year 2020 saw the fewest deaths by flu and lowest number of cases in years
Why? Because of people isolating, masking, washing hands and taking other measures to thwart CoVid
Which are exactly how you mitigate transfer of Flu germs

So yes
We COULD basically eliminate the threat of CoVid and mitigate its dangers if people WANTED TO
But many, too many at this point, choose not to

About, Covid. No, it is not possible to eliminate it just like it is not possible to eliminate the flu. It is not like measles or smallpox.

About measles, it was *immigration* that brought measles back to this country.

About small pox, it cannot "come back" unless there is a lab leak somewhere. It was eradicated (completely wiped out worldwide) by 1980.