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Old 04-02-2020, 09:15 AM
 
Location: West coast
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I could never see leaving one of my kids alone.
Heck any kid for that fact.

So what was she thinking?

Was she impaired by drugs or alcohol?
Did she have a substance abuse issue, I mean if she did she would be capable of deadly wrong decisions even while being sober.
Stupid doesn’t just go away once you sober up.
Was she tested for drugs and alcohol?
Does she have a criminal or a mental issue history?

Nobody in their right mind would do something like this.
Nobody!

Poor child.
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Old 04-02-2020, 09:58 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I could never see leaving one of my kids alone.
Heck any kid for that fact.

So what was she thinking?

Was she impaired by drugs or alcohol?
Did she have a substance abuse issue, I mean if she did she would be capable of deadly wrong decisions even while being sober.
Stupid doesn’t just go away once you sober up.
Was she tested for drugs and alcohol?
Does she have a criminal or a mental issue history?

Nobody in their right mind would do something like this.
Nobody!

Poor child.
She was supposed to be in court when they were hiking. See the post below

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The plot thickens. Apparently she was due in court to face criminal charges the moment she stepped on the trail with her son.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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Old 04-02-2020, 10:12 AM
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She was supposed to be in court when they were hiking. See the post below
After posting that screen shot, I researched what a "calendar call" is, and found it's a meeting in court of the attorneys and prosecutors to agree on a jury trial date, for an upcoming jury trial she's facing. Apparently it's not required that she be there - this is for the defense and prosecution to formally schedule the event.

The outcome of that calendar call event, was that it became rescheduled that afternoon, so maybe they did expect her to attend.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:07 PM
 
Location: West coast
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I looked at that link.
I am not on Facebook and didn’t see what her charges were.
Do you have any information on her past?
Thanks.
Andy.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Just a very unfortunate chain of events. First this was a very remote trail on a very remote island in Southeast Alaska. The conditions were rough, but apparently the boy and his mother were used to it, and had hiked there before. The 5 mile trail is mostly unimproved and they were lost about 1,000 feet off the end of the trail, when the mother decided to leave the boy to go get help. While she was rushing back down the trail, she fell and broke her leg about half way back to the trailhead. It seems that her plan was the best option, but after she was injured, the only thing she could do was wait for help herself.
One article said it was an 8.5 mile trail. How do you know they were used to the trail, and had hiked it before? You sound like you might be a local resident with some inside information, or read an article we missed.

I'm not sure that Ketchikan's location on "a very remote island" is relevant, considering they were from there, and the hiking trail was described as a popular one outside of town. Ketchikan's a tourist destination; I don't know that I'd call the island "very remote", or what difference that makes to the story, but...whatever. It's a confusing story, because of the conflicting details from different sources.

However, the article Clara added, about the mom being scheduled for a jury trial, definitely casts a new light on the story.
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:23 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Originally Posted by MechAndy View Post
I could never see leaving one of my kids alone.
Heck any kid for that fact.

So what was she thinking?

Was she impaired by drugs or alcohol?
Did she have a substance abuse issue, I mean if she did she would be capable of deadly wrong decisions even while being sober.
Stupid doesn’t just go away once you sober up.
Was she tested for drugs and alcohol?
Does she have a criminal or a mental issue history?

Nobody in their right mind would do something like this.
Nobody!

Poor child.
Didn't one of the earlier articles say, that they had spent the night (actually, two nights, I thought) on, or in the vicinity of, the trail, due to being "disoriented", and not knowing which direction to go in, to get back to the car? If that's true, maybe she was thinking, she couldn't spend yet another night out there? Or maybe hunger pushed her to find a way out?

If it was a popular trail, as it was reported to be, why weren't there any hikers on it, in the (apparently) day and 1/2, or two days +, that they were on the trail? Too early in the spring, maybe, for most people to even consider getting out there, due to snow, muddy conditions, etc.?

There are so many puzzles, here...
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Old 04-02-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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Just a very unfortunate chain of events. First this was a very remote trail on a very remote island in Southeast Alaska. The conditions were rough, but apparently the boy and his mother were used to it, and had hiked there before. The 5 mile trail is mostly unimproved and they were lost about 1,000 feet off the end of the trail, when the mother decided to leave the boy to go get help. While she was rushing back down the trail, she fell and broke her leg about half way back to the trailhead. It seems that her plan was the best option, but after she was injured, the only thing she could do was wait for help herself.

You. Don't. Leave. Five-year olds. In the woods. Alone.


There is no such "plan" and can't be, sorry.

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Old 04-02-2020, 01:29 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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One article said it was an 8.5 mile trail. How do you know they were used to the trail, and had hiked it before? You sound like you might be a local resident with some inside information, or read an article we missed.

I'm not sure that Ketchikan's location on "a very remote island" is relevant, considering they were from there, and the hiking trail was described as a popular one outside of town. Ketchikan's a tourist destination; I don't know that I'd call the island "very remote", or what difference that makes to the story, but...whatever. It's a confusing story, because of the conflicting details from different sources.

However, the article Clara added, about the mom being scheduled for a jury trial, definitely casts a new light on the story.
By AK standards Ketchikan isn't remote and neither is this trail. It is close to town and sees a lot of traffic. However, like so many trails the part closest to the parking lot is more "improved" (boardwalks over swampy sections, signage, brush thinning or hazardous tree limbs trimmed, trail surface built up with percolating fill, ponding leveled, etc) than sections farther away. I don't know the statistical percentages, but most people who only go for a casual stroll don't go all that far. As soon as they hit the rougher sections they turn around. Remember, if you stroll for a mile, you actually cover twice that distance by the time you reach your car again. The trail condition at this time of year can vary quite a bit. Sections protected by denser forest tend to hold less snow than open sections. You could easily go from almost no snow at all to drifts several feet deep within a few yards. Then there's the inevitable windthrown trees and limbs from winter storms. Many trails in SE AK, even those well used need a lot of work to clear them every spring. Too early for that most likely.

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Old 04-02-2020, 01:43 PM
 
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If her idea was to have a great excuse for not showing up at court ("We were lost in the woods!"), it sure backfired.
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Old 04-02-2020, 02:42 PM
 
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Very sad yes this is!!!

Who would think a 5yo would be ok alone in those woods??

Poor boy..... Very bad judgement/caring
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