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The rent a cop doesn’t have the legal power to “arrest” people - or to “detain” them.
How do you live in the US and understand so little about US law? Tell that to any of the thousands of store security guards who arrest people for shoplifting everyday. In the US any citizen has the power to arrest another person for any crime they witness them do. The security guard witnessed the deputy bring a gun into a government office in violation of federal law.
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In the United States a private person may arrest another without a warrant, for a crime occurring in their presence. For which crimes this is permitted may vary state by state.
How do you live in the US and understand so little about US law? Tell that to any of the thousands of store security guards who arrest people for shoplifting everyday. In the US any citizen has the power to arrest another person for any crime they witness them do. The security guard witnessed the deputy bring a gun into a government office in violation of federal law.
Citizen’s arrests are extremely rare and in all but the most extreme cases not a good idea.. do it for the wrong reasons, especially using a weapon & you’ll be the one in jail..
case in point - mall cop trying to arrest a real cop in the headline of this thread.
My point being, the fancy costume and gun on the mall-cop’s belt doesn’t give him any additional lawful authority over anyone else.
Nor does being a loss-prevention officer at the gap.
Bottom line, if you’re not a cop- your gun stays in the holster unless you’re about to shoot someone.
If you are a cop, there are lots of people willing to accept you pointing guns at people without fearing for your life, but I’m not one of them.
Citizen’s arrests are extremely rare and in all but the most extreme cases not a good idea.. do it for the wrong reasons, especially using a weapon & you’ll be the one in jail..
case in point - mall cop trying to arrest a real cop in the headline of this thread.
My point being, the fancy costume and gun on the mall-cop’s belt doesn’t give him any additional lawful authority over anyone else.
Nor does being a loss-prevention officer at the gap.
Bottom line, if you’re not a cop- your gun stays in the holster unless you’re about to shoot someone.
If you are a cop, there are lots of people willing to accept you pointing guns at people without fearing for your life, but I’m not one of them.
Security guards have arrest powers. That is why most of them carry handcuffs.
How do you live in the US and understand so little about US law? Tell that to any of the thousands of store security guards who arrest people for shoplifting everyday. In the US any citizen has the power to arrest another person for any crime they witness them do. The security guard witnessed the deputy bring a gun into a government office in violation of federal law.
It does not fall under citizens arrest LOL. Security guards in stores do not arrest people. They call the police and the police come and arrest them.
Even putting aside the fact that the cop did not break any laws.
They call the cops to come pick up the person they arrested/detained. Even if the person has not been detained, likely the police will still insist that the reporting party make a citizen's arrest. I have given you links that explain it, but apparently that doesn't make any difference to you. You are going to believe what you want to believe.
They call the cops to come pick up the person they arrested/detained. Even if the person has not been detained, likely the police will still insist that the reporting party make a citizen's arrest. I have given you links that explain it, but apparently that doesn't make any difference to you. You are going to believe what you want to believe.
You’re the only one that thinks it’s likely that they would make a citizens arrest. That is not what happens. On every thread you dig your heels in on some ridiculous point that you insist is relevant to the thread and it’s only you insisting that it’s the case.
It certainly doesn’t make any difference to you that you’ve been told over and over again that this was not a screening procedure and that the law that you quoted regarding a screening procedure does not apply here either. Even if it had been a screening procedure, another poster said, it’s like TSA at the airport, you can’t bring a gun through security and onto the plane, but you are always free to turn around and leave with it instead of going through, as long as the gun is legal. Security guard had no right to detain him in this case.
Citizen’s arrests are extremely rare and in all but the most extreme cases not a good idea.. do it for the wrong reasons, especially using a weapon & you’ll be the one in jail..
case in point - mall cop trying to arrest a real cop in the headline of this thread.
My point being, the fancy costume and gun on the mall-cop’s belt doesn’t give him any additional lawful authority over anyone else.
Nor does being a loss-prevention officer at the gap.
Bottom line, if you’re not a cop- your gun stays in the holster unless you’re about to shoot someone.
If you are a cop, there are lots of people willing to accept you pointing guns at people without fearing for your life, but I’m not one of them.
zippy you jumping in this one LOL
I'm with you on this Guard in this case was most likely outside of the policy of his employer as well as the law. That's what got him being charged by the DA as you pointed out people give the police a pass on drawing their guns.
If you go back 20-30 years police officer drawing his gun was far less common then it is today. Childhood friend father was retied LAPD he said back 70'-80's you might un-buckle your holster on a traffic stop you draw down on someone it was a situation like car chase, or known criminal you pulled over. Today were seeing police drawing down on guys with cameras in the streets, and traffic stops.
We all see lots of videos where Walmart Loss Prevention will cuff someone up who is shop lifting and they have a room where they lock these guys to a chair.
You’re the only one that thinks it’s likely that they would make a citizens arrest. That is not what happens. On every thread you dig your heels in on some ridiculous point that you insist is relevant to the thread and it’s only you insisting that it’s the case.
It certainly doesn’t make any difference to you that you’ve been told over and over again that this was not a screening procedure and that the law that you quoted regarding a screening procedure does not apply here either. Even if it had been a screening procedure, another poster said, it’s like TSA at the airport, you can’t bring a gun through security and onto the plane, but you are always free to turn around and leave with it instead of going through, as long as the gun is legal. Security guard had no right to detain him in this case.
Don't even bother with him anymore. Its pointless. I could quote state statue regarding how wrong he is when talking about citizens arrests by security guards and he would still say he is right. Just like in this case. Apparently he knows more then the actual police that showed up at the scene, the security guard's company who fired him for his conduct, the states justice system which obviously hasn't tossed out the arrest and the IRS office which has yet to defend the guards behavior. Nope the only law of the land is what cloudy dayz says
Don't even bother with him anymore. Its pointless. I could quote state statue regarding how wrong he is when talking about citizens arrests by security guards and he would still say he is right. Just like in this case. Apparently he knows more then the actual police that showed up at the scene, the security guard's company who fired him for his conduct, the states justice system which obviously hasn't tossed out the arrest and the IRS office which has yet to defend the guards behavior. Nope the only law of the land is what cloudy dayz says
Please quote that statute. I would love to read it. The police investigated the police and determined that the police did nothing wrong. So it must be true, because the police would never be biased in favor of a fellow police officer.
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