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I wasn't going to read all 19 pages, but the quality of a CC student is dependent on its location and class/program/major. I teach Biology, Anatomy, Micro, etc. I've taught in different states and in different socioeconomic areas. No matter where I go, the General Bio classes are full of brain dead students. And I'm talking about Gen Bio for majors. After some horrible experiences, I've refused to teach Gen Bio for non majors or education majors.
Now, Anatomy and Micro? In higher socioeconomic areas, let me tell you, those students are driven, even if they're not doing well, which is mostly because they're non traditional students with too much on their plate. There are certainly not-so-bright students, and a lot of them want you to hold their hand (a whole other thread on that problem), but by no means would I say that they're all sub-par. But keep in mind, these students know how competitive the nursing programs are and anything less than a 3.5, forget it.
In lower socioeconomic areas, it's not unusual to lose 60% or 70% of the class, even with dumbed down material and BS extra credit. Their issue has more to do with not being prepared. When you have students who ask what adjacent means, or other basic terms that you would expect a high school graduate to know, you know you're in trouble.
Admittedly, my best semesters were during the summer when the 4 year college kids would take CC classes since they were cheaper. You could teach things that weren't in the book and come up with creative assignments.
I'd probably shoot myself if I had to teach CC English, though. The grammar for many of these students is atrocious.
I went to a CC and did work full time, and we did go at night after work.
The teachers were great as the students. the 4 c's on Cape Cod is always in the top ranks.
The night school is self support and not easy at all, we worked hard to get the AA degree after a 40 hour work week.
Last edited by maggiekate; 12-01-2011 at 08:18 PM..
You miss the point. If I go to a CC for two years and then transfer to UC Berkeley, I get the same degree just as if I had attended Berkeley for all four years.
also you save money, and have the motivation to go to Berkeley.
If it wasn't already said in some 19 pages... A lot of cc students are from the working class or from poor countries. They are often the first in their families to go to any kind of college. They are often English as a second language, single parents, etc.
I do think it's relatively recent that middle-class students might go to cc for two years and then onto a four-year school to save money.
I do wonder about any professor who finds his/her students "not worth a dam" and can't spell "damn."
You miss the point. If I go to a CC for two years and then transfer to UC Berkeley, I get the same degree just as if I had attended Berkeley for all four years.
Yes, but it's much tougher to make friends at a university after 2 yrs at CC since most people already have a group of friends. Second, it's tougher to break into leadership roles in extracurriculars. Lifelong friends/connections and extracurriculars are underrated aspects of college life.
And it sucks to be amongst a a group of students who are on average much dumber and less motivated than students at a top public university.
I'd probably shoot myself if I had to teach CC English, though. The grammar for many of these students is atrocious.
Truth be told, after having helped friends and acquaintences with editing both undergraduate and masters level papers, its not much better at the university level.
After a while, I stopped telling people I was an English major because they didn't like how harsh I was when editing papers...
How is it more expensive for someone who doesn't qualify for any scholarships/grants?
It's been shown in this thread that the middle-class (we used $80k as the income) qualify for need-based grants that make it cheaper to go to a 4-year school.
It's also been mentioned that many 4-year colleges do not accept transfers from community colleges.
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