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[andrew61]

Originally Posted by WRnative

If there is another day in 2021 with a high of 80 degrees plus, hopefully I or someone else will record it. I just wanted to mark what appears to be the last 80-degree day of the year while thinking about it.

BTW, the WP article is behind a paywall so I couldn't read it.

I found it on Google and had no paywall issues even though I'm not a paid subscriber to the WP.

The article specifically mentions AccuWeather and how it's been heavily criticized for issuing such long-range forecasts even though the American Meteorological Society says that can't be successfully done.

Here's another article you might be able to read without a paywall:

AccuWeather's 90-Day Forecast Tool Is Misleading As Hell

I personally have found that even AccuWeather's short-term (1-2 days) forecasts are less reliable than the ones on the local television newscasts.

[ohioaninsc]

Septembers have become much warmer over the years...and just a couple years ago, we had 90 degree weather at the beginning of Oct...I was swimming at Edgwater before going to work on that Saturday.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

Septembers have become much warmer over the years...and just a couple years ago, we had 90 degree weather at the beginning of Oct...I was swimming at Edgwater before going to work on that Saturday.

I remember it well. It was October 1, 2019 -- and it hit 93 degrees here. All-time record, not just for that date, but for all of October.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

Septembers have become much warmer over the years...and just a couple years ago, we had 90 degree weather at the beginning of Oct...I was swimming at Edgewater before going to work on that Saturday.

At least going back to 2009, Septembers still look basically the same. Highs around 74, lows around 55. Average temp around 65. Fits very well with my lifelong memory of Septembers, which I always remember for a variety of personal reasons.


I honestly don't think Septembers have changed at all.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/...veland/climate

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

At least going back to 2009, Septembers still look basically the same. Highs around 74, lows around 55. Average temp around 65. Fits very well with my lifelong memory of Septembers, which I always remember for a variety of personal reasons.


I honestly don't think Septembers have changed at all.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/...veland/climate

The changes would be much more obvious if the federal government made the averages for 1955-1985 available so that they could be compared with the averages cited in your link for 1985-2015.

However, just look at the temperature graph here and compare just the actual lows with the average of 55 degrees from your link. These lows are much higher than in your link on average.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/cl...weather/350127

BTW, the average lines from the temperature graph likely use the 30-year period 1991-2020. The weather service updates the averages every five years. Note how much higher the averages are than in the 1985-2015 "normals" table cited in your link.

https://www.weather.gov/psr/19912020Normals

Check out the 1991-2020 normals for Cleveland by selecting "daily/monthly normals" here and clicking "view." Clicking on September, it says the new normal mean high is 75.6 degrees F. and the new normal mean low is 57.1 degrees F.

https://www.weather.gov/wrh/climate?wfo=cle

Except for 2020, since 2015 the average September highs and lows have been significantly higher than the 1991-2020 normals for Cleveland.

https://www.currentresults.com/Yearl...cipitation.php

Cleveland's recent warmer Septembers coincide with the record global temperatures reported by NASA for the last several years.

<<Earth’s global average surface temperature in 2020 tied with 2016 as the warmest year on record, according to an analysis by NASA.

Continuing the planet’s long-term warming trend, the year’s globally averaged temperature was 1.84 degrees Fahrenheit (1.02 degrees Celsius) warmer than the baseline 1951-1980 mean, according to scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. 2020 edged out 2016 by a very small amount, within the margin of error of the analysis, making the years effectively tied for the warmest year on record.

“The last seven years have been the warmest seven years on record, typifying the ongoing and dramatic warming trend,” said GISS Director Gavin Schmidt. “Whether one year is a record or not is not really that important – the important things are long-term trends. With these trends, and as the human impact on the climate increases, we have to expect that records will continue to be broken.”>>

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3061/2...nalysis-shows/

[mshultz]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

At least going back to 2009, Septembers still look basically the same. Highs around 74, lows around 55. Average temp around 65. Fits very well with my lifelong memory of Septembers, which I always remember for a variety of personal reasons.


I honestly don't think Septembers have changed at all.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/...veland/climate

I agree. We had nice weather for the Wayne county fair; only one rain day. It was chilly today getting gas. I was wearing a double layer windbreaker, but there was a breeze, and a bit of rain being blown on me under the canopy. I changed my house registers from the summer to the winter positions today. I'll probably leave the thermostat in the heat position all day.

As far as climate records, these only date back to about 1880, and weather satellite data to about 1973. Not a very long time period compared to the 50,000 years that Homo sapiens capable of language have been around, let alone the 4.5 billion years the earth has existed.

Another problem is that weather stations are being closed. My 1st edition Weather America lists data for 4,158 stations, while this has been reduced to 2,021 by the time of the 3rd edition. More frustrating is that many of the closed stations were those of particular interest to me.

[mshultz]

As another example of missing data, snowfall amounts for Wooster are no longer recorded for the Wooster weather site:
https://weather.cfaes.osu.edu/stationinfo.asp?id=1

Maybe the guy who measured snowfall retired, and was not replaced. I recorded the temperatures & snowfall for the mild winter of 1997-1998; the only decent winter I have ever experienced. Good thing I recorded the snowfall amounts because when I pull up this data on the website, the snowfall amounts are no longer listed. While temperatures in northeast Ohio are going to be close in values, snowfall varies significantly. There's a big difference just between the Akron-Canton Airport and Wooster.

Wooster had 10.15" of snowfall in the 1997-1998 winter. No snow in February or April. 6.50" in March. I could have done without that.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by mshultz

As far as climate records, these only date back to about 1880, and weather satellite data to about 1973. Not a very long time period compared to the 50,000 years that Homo sapiens capable of language have been around, let alone the 4.5 billion years the earth has existed.

The last century of global warming, triggered by mankind's greenhouse emissions from fossil fuel consumption and other activities but increasingly enhanced by natural feedback loops, has no causative relationship with the weather 50,000 years ago, as the greenhouse gas increases in the last century have been extraordinary over just 100 years. E.g., atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide now are much higher than at any time over the last 800,000 years.

https://www.globalchange.gov/browse/...carbon-dioxide

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...dot_1400_2.jpg

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends_ch4/
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-war...erature-change

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by WRnative

If there is another day in 2021 with a high of 80 degrees plus, hopefully I or someone else will record it. I just wanted to mark what appears to be the last 80-degree day of the year while thinking about it.

Weather.com is currently predicting 81 degrees for tomorrow (Monday, September 27). Let's see what happens.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by WRnative

If there is another day in 2021 with a high of 80 degrees plus, hopefully I or someone else will record it. I just wanted to mark what appears to be the last 80-degree day of the year while thinking about it.

Originally Posted by andrew61

Weather.com is currently predicting 81 degrees for tomorrow (Monday, September 27). Let's see what happens.

It officially hit 83 degrees in Cleveland on Monday, at 3:51 PM.

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