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I see it as deep south, new south and appalachian south. The new south is aggresively business oriented and strives to better itself. Think Nashville, Huntsville, Atlanta, I-85 corridor, RTP, NoVA.
The deep south and appalachian south are more laid back and slower paced but very different from each other culturally. Texas includes some of the deep and new south, but I tend to think of it as a place and culture unto itself.
And the Baltimore area and the Maryland/DC Suburbs......
The Upper South is most of West Virginia (mainly below U.S. 50), Kentucky, Virginia outside of the D.C. suburbs and where it touches Maryland and WV to the west and northwest of there, and parts of southern Missouri. The Mid-South is Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina. Oklahoma and Texas are both the "Western South," much as the rest of the Great Plains states to the north are the Western Midwest. The Deep South includes Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, and South Carolina. Florida at one time was part of the Deep South, but its culture has now been diluted to such a point that only Northern Florida really meets the definition. South Florida is a cultural hybrid of the south, the north (since many northerners live there in the winter), and the Caribbean. I would never consider Florida not southern simply because to call it northern is like calling Minnesota southern.
From the Maryland/Pennsylvania Line is where the South begins....
Also Maryland stretches at least 50 miles south of the DC area........
I get tired of the guy's rambling, but he does have a point. The primary officially recognized authority when it comes to regional designations is the U.S. Census Bureau which places Maryland in the South and historically it was always recognized as being Southern. Culture is one thing but geography is another. Maryland is still IN the South but isn't so culturally Southern anymore, unless one wants to argue that cultural shifts dictate geographical designations--in which case at some point a very wide swath of the South won't even be considered "the South" anymore in the future.
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I get tired of the guy's rambling, but he does have a point. The primary officially recognized authority when it comes to regional designations is the U.S. Census Bureau which places Maryland in the South and historically it was always recognized as being Southern. Culture is one thing but geography is another. Maryland is still IN the South but isn't so culturally Southern anymore, unless one wants to argue that cultural shifts dictate geographical designations--in which case at some point a very wide swath of the South won't even be considered "the South" anymore in the future.
I personally don't even understand how it's geographically southern.
It's closer to Maine than Florida. The forestry is of northern styles (look at the pine trees for corn's sake! They are northern). It snows there.
AND it was a Union state.
And then it's neighbor Delaware is excluded my the Mason Dixon itself. And has even LESS business calling itself southern.
I personally don't even understand how it's geographically southern.
It's closer to Maine than Florida. The forestry is of northern styles (look at the pine trees for corn's sake! They are northern). It snows there.
AND it was a Union state.
And then it's neighbor Delaware is excluded my the Mason Dixon itself. And has even LESS business calling itself southern.
All of this just shows how diverse and non-monolithic the South is. Kentucky wasn't in the Confederacy and the most populous parts of the state are closer to Wisconsin than Florida. The climate is different from that of Louisiana. Historically it was definitely aligned with the South culturally and was a slave state. There were definitely reasons for including it in the South historically.
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All of this just shows how diverse and non-monolithic the South is. Kentucky wasn't in the Confederacy and the most populous parts of the state are closer to Wisconsin than Florida. The climate is different from that of Louisiana. Historically it was definitely aligned with the South culturally and was a slave state. There were definitely reasons for including it in the South historically.
Historically I suppose.
But when I see snow or Christmas shaped Pine trees I feel like I am certainly in the north.
I personally don't even understand how it's geographically southern.
It's closer to Maine than Florida.
Not good enough excuse.
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The forestry is of northern styles (look at the pine trees for corn's sake! They are northern).
Just from that comment alone tells me that you have Never been to the state of Maryland......
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It snows there.
It snows in North Carolina and Virginia.....
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AND it was a Union state.
Based on Opinion.......
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And then it's neighbor Delaware is excluded my the Mason Dixon itself. And has even LESS business calling itself southern.
Take a trip to Dover and points south along the DelMarVa.........
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